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    Posted: 25 Sep. 2009 at 8:30pm
Thanks in large part to everyones help and advise after new rings , a new piston, and valves the engine starts and runs   yea!!!!

next problem    I also replaced the clutch plate  now when I put my foot on the clutch it goes most of the way to the floor and never disengages the engine.   I went to adjust the linkage and its all the way adjusted.

What did I do wrong?


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Could be several things ..the easiest thing is are you sure the forks in the right position on the throw-out bearing ??
Did you get a repop clutch rod ??  There are several out there that are different lengths..Wink
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all I changed was the pad

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is there any way of checking the fork position on the bearing without pulling the engine?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hillbilly21 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep. 2009 at 10:54am
Should be an inspection plate on the bellhousing  ..remove the tranny pan and its right there in place with 6 --- 7/16 bolts
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You said "all the way adjusted", all the way which way?
 
Measure your clutch rod, they will come ~9-1/2" and 11-3/8". I needed the 11-3/8 rod in my 48.
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If I were a betting man, hmmm happen to be one. HB is most likely right.
 
A common error.....the fork should be behind the two ears on the bearing carrier...Many install it just behind the bearing. That will never be adjustable. Open your tunnel cover and look where the fork is located. If wrong it can be corrected through the tunnel cover but patience and determination are required, also a powerful magnet to retrieve the failures. Be careful with the pivot pin also it can come out and drop too. Did you install the little return spring on the carrier?
 
Hook the cable up first, use a long screwdriver to hold the carrier forward. manuver the fork behind the ears and over the pivot pin.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote murmsk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep. 2009 at 6:26pm
there is no window like this one on my 2a ....... So I am off to pull the engine.

I am not smart enough to link to a picture .. anyway refer to the picture posted in the parts section.


off to pull the engine.

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ok I found it its on the top
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That is exactly the picture I needed to see    Thanks.

Yes it was adjusted all the way tight  and has been that way since I bought it in '73 . Ill tell ya more when I get it apart.

Thanks agian to all for your help

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OK now I am really confused.

The engine is out and the fork ass seems to be put together correctly.

which leaves rod length and........  clutch fingers

I measured the clutch fingers    specs say 1 15/16"  mine are 2.5"  so theres my problem right? 

Now maybe I am thinking too much but if I adjust the fingers to spec thats going to make it worse rather than better.

could someone pre 1973 have gotten the long control cable and compensated by adjusting the fingers ?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote murmsk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep. 2009 at 4:15pm
Another thing

The casting on the clutch says "thelander clutch" but from the pictures it looks identical to the Auburn Clutch shown in the service manual.

The clutch peddle moves about 1/2" before the forks start to move and there seems to be another inch of travel when the peddle if fully depressed.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep. 2009 at 12:34pm
Do a search for "thelander".  There we're lots of prior discussions, it is manufactured by Auburn.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GaryArf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep. 2009 at 12:45pm
another thing about measuring the fingers, they can't be measured with the P.P. on the flywheel (unless you take into consideration the "bowl" in the flywheel). You also can't do it without it (P.P.) being tightened down to a flat surface. it shows in the manual a test "jig".
 Anyway, did you dissassemble the linkage? could be the clutch/brake tube is in backwards.
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Anyway, did you dissassemble the linkage? could be the clutch/brake tube is in backwards
I don't understand

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote F Bill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep. 2009 at 1:49pm
The clutch shaft that goes from the frame to the side of the tranny can be installed end for end and the linkages just do not work with it installed that way. It is pretty easy to do, especially for us dyslexic types. 
 
 
part 17 in this pic if I remember right...


Edited by F Bill - 28 Sep. 2009 at 1:53pm
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for a lot of great stuff you need to know!!

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hmmmmm

Ill pull myself under and have a look see.
I haven't touched it but that doesn't mean someone else didn't switch'm.

thanks tons

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