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cjmears
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I have searched this forum from top to bottom... and maybe I need to go to a M38 forum for the answer. I have 3 CJ2A's and 1 M38. I purchased all of them from one individual. I am trying to figure out if I have all the original motors and which jeep they are in. Two motors have serial numbers starting with J... which I understand are civilian motors. I have another motor with a serial number starting with MC. It also has a large R stamped in front of the MC. Does this serial number starting with MC mean it should have come out of my M38? Any info would be great. Thanks! |
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ralf
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The flat head motors with the "J" probably have a faint "C" stamped in front of the "J" to read "CJ", civilian jeep. You have to compare engine serial # with body serial # on plate on passenger side firewall and serial # inside front drivers frame horn just behind bumper. The numbers won't match from what I understand, but there is a known gap between the numbers which can indicate originality and date time it was manufactured.
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1947 CJ2A
1948 CJ2A 1953 Ford NAA Golden Jubilee Tractor 1941 J-3 Cub 1957 Farmall Cub Low Boy tractor 1942 Clarktor WW2 tug |
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bkreutz
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the MC would be a correct engine for the M38, the R stamping probably denotes that the engine was rebuilt.
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jpet
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Charlie,
I can't answer you on the M38, but here is a list of CJ2A's serial numbers and motor numbers:
If you compare your CJ's vin# to the vin numbers on this page, you can see if the motor number is similar to it's brothers and sisters with close serial numbers.
As you can see on this list, some of the civilian engines numbers did infact start with a "J" and as ralf mentioned earlier, the motor number will not math the jeeps vin# but it will be somewhere close.
You may consider entering the data on your 2As in this database. Especially if you find out that the motors are correct. It will help the next guy who asks the same question.
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CJ2A #29110 "General Willys"
MB #204827 "BAM BAM" "We do what we can, and we try what we can't" |
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cjmears
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Thanks for the info. Others have posted that the engine's number should be around +/- 10000 to the serial number. Which is true for each motor I have a number on, including the M38 to the motor that starts with MC.
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sean
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davep
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Can someone point me in the right direction for a book, document, or thread that lists casting number breakdowns? I am currently trying to gain info on several engines I have recently picked up. The block that was in a CJ2A I am restoring is junk - a crack down the length of cyl 1.
I have one bare block - J145222 ; 641087-L-W5 .
Complete engine, minus head - CJ-2A 18391; 8-9 638632W2 A NI-CH N. This still has std pistons. The boss behind oil filter is bare. Crankshaft does not have bolt on counterweights. There were timing gears installed, but no provisions for cam retainer. Assume someone attempted to convert from chain drive.
How does one go about deciphering the casting numbers?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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ralf
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Google 1945-1949 serial numbers
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1947 CJ2A
1948 CJ2A 1953 Ford NAA Golden Jubilee Tractor 1941 J-3 Cub 1957 Farmall Cub Low Boy tractor 1942 Clarktor WW2 tug |
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fmbruce
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I have a 1946 CJ2A in England, although it was imported from USA about 7 years ago. Its serial number is 78792. The block casting number is 638632, which I understand makes it a very early block, and the engine number is J80365A. This seems close enough to the vehicle number for it to probably be its original engine. The cylinder head is a mystery though. It doesn't have the Willys Jeep logo cast into it, it is not ribbed but it has a casting number 637014 which I haven't managed to find any reference to anywhere on the internet. Can anybody give me a clue please?
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lowenuf
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Welcome to the site !!!
The 638632 was a commonly casted engine block, which in fact would have no bearing on determining whether the engine of vehicle is early Vs. late. The 638632 casted engines were just the first design used by Willys in the CJ2A. Your serial # of 78792 is definately not in the considerable serial number range to be considered "early", in fact, your '46 is very near the end of 1946 production... Your engine serial number does qualify as a correct engine for the vehicle. The head with the casting of 637014 is not original to the engine. The correct head would have been a ribbed head with the 640161 casting numbers. The 637014 is original to the Willys MA (first design military vehicle), of which only 1500 were produced. That head would be highly sought after by an MA restorer, and could fetch upwards of $500 USD if there are no cracks, and it is operational.... hope this info helps.....
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45 #10012
45 #10033 ACM #47 45 #10163 ACM #188 57 CJ5 Dauntless V6, T-18 4-speed, D-44 rear/D-30 front, D-20 twin stick |
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F Bill
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Mike, would the MA head have the two bolt thermostat housing instead of the more common three hole one?
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If you haven't checked out the tech FAQ section, go to:
http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/tech-faq_forum57.html for a lot of great stuff you need to know!! |
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45 #10012
45 #10033 ACM #47 45 #10163 ACM #188 57 CJ5 Dauntless V6, T-18 4-speed, D-44 rear/D-30 front, D-20 twin stick |
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F Bill
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Looking at Low's link answered my question, MA head has the two bolt thermostat housing.
Thanks!
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If you haven't checked out the tech FAQ section, go to:
http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/tech-faq_forum57.html for a lot of great stuff you need to know!! |
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fmbruce
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Thank you very much for your help. Now I just need the MA to go with it! I did buy a ribbed head at the War and Peace show last weekend as I suspected the head wasn't right.
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Bruce Hoad
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fmbruce
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Hello again. Yes, this head has only 2 bolts holding the thermostat housing in place and has the original housing with it. It has no cracks that I can see and on a compression test the engine pulled 100 psi evenly across all cylinders, so I think it's a good one. How on earth it came to be on the CJ2A I've no idea. It does have a heater take off let into it, but that looks like a proper job.
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lvelazquez522
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Thank yall so much I had no idea I could find the serial number on the motor as well...rust rosie is actuallya 46 not a 47 her number is 16157...thanks again!
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47FlattieGS
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Anybody ever see an L134 engine serial number that looked like this stamped on the S/N boss above the water pump? 4LR115547A
I have yet to look to see if there is a S/N stamped behind the oil filter.
BTW, this engine is in a '47 CJ-2A S/N 147748.
Any info is appreciated, Geo:)
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samcj2a
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The 4LR prefix identifies the engine as a replacement engine. They are quite common.
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