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I just saw one on ebay from England...the bellows type- less than a week ago.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Smiths-thermostat-for-Allis-Chalmers-Tractor-Model-B-Willys-Jeep-N-O-S-/400761143283?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CommercialVehicleParts_SM&hash=item5d4f39bff3

Should fit.....

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misterberry, Thank you for the information and link.  Do you use a bellow thermostat in your Jeep?

I've read on this orgiial post that the modern thermostat will close completely if it goes bad but the bellow will continue to operate.  I think the 1/8" hole you drill in the bellows eliminates that problem.
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zooke581, I'm going to remove my housing (thermostat) and see what I put in....I'm pretty sure it is a 160 but want to double check.

I kinda hope it wasn't so I could put the 160 in and expect to see a change!
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The pellet type generally fails closed while the bellows type generally fails open. Pete DeBella has NOS bellows type available (might be 160 degree only).

http://www.debellajeepparts.com/CJ2cooling.htm

I have a 180 in mine as the higher temp is believed to help dissipate moisture in the engine better. Generally it'll run at 180 but on a long climb up a hill can go as high as 200, which isn't a problem. 160 was the standard when only alcohol type anti-freeze was available because it boiled at a lower temp. As permanent type (glycol) anti-freeze became available the thermo was bumped up to 180 as the boiling point rose.

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Larry, so with the new coolant it can handle the 180 thermostat?

Do you have a bellow type or the modern thermostat?

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Yes, no problem. I have a 180 bellows but I bought it about 9 years ago and can't remember where, sorry.

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I just took mine out and it's a 180 also.  Had a piece of rubber like material in the top that was trapped,
so I don't believe it could close all the way.
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Does it have a bleeder hole in it?

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No..but I remember reading about that and was sure I did drill one.

Nope, (forgot it was right here beside me) If there is a hole, I'm going to need a microscope to find it.

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Larry, here is a picture of what I have.








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My stock jeep runs around 160F with a 180 thermostat and it ran around 160F without the thermostat. I've never seen the engine get really warm. 
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Here's what the bypass hole looks like.

http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/thermostats_topic4714.html



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Originally posted by otto otto wrote:

My stock jeep runs around 160F with a 180 thermostat and it ran around 160F without the thermostat. I've never seen the engine get really warm. 


If it shows 160 with a 180 thermo one of two things is wrong; either your gauge isn't right or the thermo isn't working right.

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Larry, I wrote a post to you but must not have sent it.

The stat. on the left...is the hole at 5 o clock?

Is that the one with the larger size opening?

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Most new thermostats have a small notch in the edge of the center disc, which serves the same purpose as the hole we drill. The hole doesn't need to be 1/8", 1/16" would probably be fine, but I used a 1/8 bit because I had a short one and it would be more durable than a 1/16" bit. I drilled mine in the outer ring. BW
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Originally posted by rocketeer rocketeer wrote:

Originally posted by otto otto wrote:

My stock jeep runs around 160F with a 180 thermostat and it ran around 160F without the thermostat. I've never seen the engine get really warm. 


If it shows 160 with a 180 thermo one of two things is wrong; either your gauge isn't right or the thermo isn't working right.

Larry

I checked the thermostat in a pan of water with a scientific thermometer along with two other T-stats through many cycles of heating and cooling of the water. The gauge may be off, the highest temp I've seen was around 170 for short durations.
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Larry, I had to order a 160 stat. from Napa and 4 lb. radiator cap.

I'll check and see if the stat. has the notch in the edge of the center disc.

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dodjh-

Glad to help - I have been looking for a reasonably priced bellows - type and luckily found a used and functioning 180 F
example. With my experience driving in SoCal and their temps often above 100 F, I thought a 160F might be better.
My temps were a bit left of vertical mostly, but sometimes rose to the region to the right. If that happened, i turned on my heater and added the heater as a means of mitigating the heat. At that temp - what's an extra 10 degrees?
I recently found a used bellows - type and think it is a 180 F. Rocketeer- your comment about interior engine moisture gives me pause....

Now that I am back north in Edmonton, Canada temps rarely rise beyond 90 F so heat isn't a factor here. Rarely does the needle climb into the danger zone until you climb big, prolonged elevations or try and run at speed.

Edited by misterberry - 30 Aug. 2014 at 12:17am
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