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Oldwillys
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Posted: 29 Aug. 2015 at 5:41am |
I need to purchase a mig welder,funds are limited,so I must spend wisely.I will be using it for body panel repair ,and small to medium fab work,any suggestions ?
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Bruce W
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My suggestion: Don't waste your limited funds on Harbor Freight or other cheap junk. My opinion, others will vary. I have almost $800 in a 110V Lincoln and don't regret it a bit. What I do regret is the $300 I have in a "cheapie" that I can't use and wouldn't feel right selling it to some poor sucker. My friend has a cheapie too, and he uses my Lincoln. BW
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1943 ford gpw
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Like Bruce said Lincoln's are very good and Millers as well. Might look at local pawn shops or craigslist for a good used one if funds are limited. I have found many tools that are near new for over half price like that. Just a suggestion. Good luck
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Mark W.
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I have a Lincoln Weld Pak 140 bought at Home Depot for $525.00 that will do anything up to 5/16" plate (we did an excellent job on some 1/2" plate using multiple layer welds) it will do both flux core and MIG as well as run a Spool gun for aluminum. The quality is excellent.
They also make a smaller unit that is the Weld Pak 125 (no spool gun) for around $400.00
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Chug A Lug
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pjensen641
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Hobart makes a nice welder too, and usually a bit cheaper. Get the highest amperage 110V you can find, or go with a dual voltage 110/220V (e.g. the 210 MVP). The small 110V ones will ONLY do sheet metal.
Anything beyond 3/16" material will need a 220V welder to reliably have full penetration. If you clean very well you can do OK on 1/4", but that thickness has so much thermal mass that it is difficult to get enough heat in there. Flux core wire helps a bit with thicker metals, rather than MIG.
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Metcalf
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I bought a house brand Northern Tool Mig 110V 140amp welder about 6 years ago now. I build this including the frame, cage, winch mount, suspension, etc. It was the only welder I had when I was doing this project.
Here is the newest version of their in house welder. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200631880_200631880 $380 shipped and comes with the gas kit. It has a 3 year warranty I have put hundreds of pounds of wire and many tanks of gas through mine with little issue. The only real problem I have had is that the torch trigger contacts need cleaned when doing lots of tack-tack-tack work while doing sheetmetal welding. I have probably cleaned them 4 times in 6 years. If you can afford more welder then go for it, but if your on a budget don't let people talk you out of getting something now. Northern also has larger 220V machines. |
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Bob3b
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If you can afford a Miller, Lincoln, etc buy on new. If not, get a used one. I have a cheap Clarke 130 amp welder than really does a decent job for what it is. I weld up to 1/4 inch with it. I like it a lot, but I've never used any other mig so I can't compare.
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Oldwillys
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Thanks guys,I am familiar with industrial mig and tig welders,but have never messed with smal ler units and light sheet metal work.Im looking for something to tackle work along the line Metcalf is talking about,my days of heavy metal work are over.
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LesBerg
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I have a Clarke 130EN 'gas/no gas' I picked up for about $500 ten years ago.It has a 40% duty cycle and can handle almost any automotive job you can throw it at. It won't do 1/4 inch steel, but I haven't seen a 110v mig that legitimately will.
You can use it with both solid and flux-core wire, with or without a bottle.
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Adrian
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Well at the bottom of the planet I use a BOC 420amp machine for everything from 2mm through to 50mm plate, its a Kempi from Finland but they were BOC (British Oxy Co) branded for the Southern Hemisphere. A great machine thats done over 10 years hard work.
A recent purchase was a EWN, German top of the line machine, its a multi process machine and so far so good, a bit too computery for me but... All our engine drives are Lincolns, all were brought new but have had to have repairs done at very low hours, not sure the quality is as good as it used to be?. Millers, no problem but they are mainly all 60Hz, we are 50Hz here, so they can upset some grinders etc. Buy the best quality you budget allows for, something that can be serviced and all parts are available for. I find that the sales guys are more than happy to sell you rubbish, but run like hell when you go back and say its faulty...buy a recognised brand....ideally with a local service agent close to you. Adrian
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Metcalf
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This Hobart is probably one of the most flexible overall units I have seen... Hobart Handler 210MVPhttp://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200479230_200479230 It is running just under $1000. http://www.hobartwelders.com/products/wirefeed/handler210/ It is a dual voltage machine. It can do 140amps when plugged into the proper 110 outlet. If you need more power you can do 200+amps on a 220 outlet. It will also still take .024" wire for working on thin metal. Personally I find that thin filler wire works WAY better for stuff 1/8" and thinner. It can also run a spool gun for aluminum, in 220V most likely. Just an idea. |
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greg3888
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I am not sure how much welding you plan on doing but going flux core [no gas] is more dirty more spatter but cheaper. If you choose that option try spatter spray before you weld , your clean up will be a lot less. The price of a tank with content is not cheap and if you get a gas cylinder get at least an 80 cf or higher size cylinder, get the best welder you can afford . the Miller, Hobart. and Lincoln are all good welders and you can get replacement parts easy. I have seem some cheap welders do a pretty good job but parts may be hard to find .good luck Greg
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Oldwillys
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I spent several years running commercial size welders,but I'm a bit lost on smaller,yet efficiant for the jeep shop welders.I will take everyone's suggestions in account.
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BrianJ
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I bought a Hobart Handler 140 (USA Made) from Norther Tool for $450 shipped/no tax.
60# Argon/CO2 bottle was $140 - purchased/not leased $100 auto Helmet from Lowes/Kobalt (huge screen) $100/misc from Acme tools
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Ritt
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Look at www.eastwood.com guaranteed
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I like my Lincoln 140. I run it off my honda 3000i generator and it's a good combo for the stuff i do
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PhillipM
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I ran two Lincoln SP-170T 230v welders for years, one for steel, one set up for aluminum. For steel, they work great but it was always difficult to push aluminum wire down a 10' lead. I finally got tired of that and bought a Miller. The Miller is awesome, but it was $1200. It takes a spool gun, and has an auto set feature. Set the thickness, set the wire diameter, and voila, it does the rest! http://www.millerwelds.com/products/rollout/product.php?model=M00245 I sold the Lincoln I used for steel, but still have the one set up for aluminum. It has a teflon liner in it is the only difference I remember. You may can talk me out of it. Specs on the Lincoln. http://www.lincolnelectric.com/assets/servicenavigator-public/lincoln3/IM794.pdf
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Mark W.
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The Lincoln Weld Pak 140 takes a Spool gun as I mentioned above should you need to do aluminum.
It can Flux core weld up to 5/16" (their spec. we did and excellent job on 1/2" plate to 1/4" plate) It can MIG weld (with the addition of a Tank it already comes with the regulator) 24ga to 3/16" it can run a spool gun for aluminum (cost was around $100) runs on a 20amp dedicated 120V circuit unless your really pushing it then you will need a heavier circuit. When we welded the 1/2" the breaker popped off a lot. Was a PITA but only that super heavy use has caused that problem. $525.00 at Home Depot.
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Chug A Lug
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