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    Posted: 28 Mar. 2014 at 5:08pm

I just got bumped to ‘Modifications from the Original’.  One thing to know, the early Willys CJs had virtually nothing on them coming from the factory, just a driver’s seat.  Dealers had Willys approved accessories; heater, passenger and rear seat, grill cover, canvas and hard tops, PTOs and yes, turn signals.  Some of us are old enough to remember Sear Roebuck aftermarket catalogs, these too were accessories but not always modifications.  Now cutting and welding in a Saginaw steering box in place of the original Ross and remaking the tie rods is what I’d call modifications.   Might be nit picking

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The criteria that I am using is if the part is shown in the Willys Parts List, it is not a modification.  If it is not in the Willys List, then it is not a Willys part and is a modification.  The parts list is available to all of us and does not involve subjective judgement.  Here is a link to an online Parts List that Sean has generously provided.  It is a great resource.  If you look at the Special Equipment and Accessories section in the back, all of the other items you mentioned such as PTOs, seats, chaff screen, canvas top and so forth are there.  There are no turn signals in the Willys Parts List.

Yes, I am quite old enough to recall and use both Sears and J.C. Whitney parts and accessories for flatfender Jeeps.  I got my first CJ-2A in 1957. Embarrassed

Also, this thread is being moved to the Suggestions and Comments for the Forum because that is where it belongs. Big smile




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Joe Friday Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar. 2014 at 8:59pm
Hmm.
 
I guess I'll dig out my Factory Authorized turn signal kit and take some pictures...Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samcj2a Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar. 2014 at 11:37pm
[QUOTE=Joe Friday] Hmm.
 
I guess I'll dig out my Factory Authorized turn signal kit and take some pictures...Smile
[/QUOTEDig out your reading comprehension book and reread the criteria.  Wink I believe that there were many Willys Authorized accessories, but the factory did not install them nor did Willys see fit to give them part numbers and include them in their Parts Lists. 

In all seriousness, we need a criteria that is clear and easy for anyone to determine and look up.  If there is a better one than a part appearing in the Willys Parts List, I'm completely open to consider alternatives.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 48cj2a Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar. 2014 at 9:37pm

I believe Willys or Jeep Authorized or Approved should fit this criteria not merely the Willys Parts List.

Willys and Jeep took the time to publish them as such and were most likely ordered from the supplier as to why they probably never received part numbers.

Is it time for a Willys/Jeep Approved topic header too?

JMHO



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II'm fine with that (treating Willys authorized parts as other than modifications) as long as someone can provide an authoritative list.  If there is such a list, if it is not online, one of us can scan and post it.  If we don't have such a list, then I don't want to deal with the ambiguity of there not being a common list to which we can all reference.

The other reason we need a single list that all can reference is that if any Willys or Jeep authorized item were included, then there would be all kinds of non-period correct items since there could easily be items from lists in the '60s or '70s that would pop up.  So, if someone can come up with a list of authorized items from the late '40s or very early '50s, we can use that once it is online.



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I'm fine with your first definition. The turn signal kit has a Willys Part Number, and Willys Packaging.
If I wasn't crawling around in the snow installing a fuel pump in my daughters TJ I would have posted the picture by now.
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Originally posted by Joe Friday Joe Friday wrote:

I'm fine with your first definition. The turn signal kit has a Willys Part Number, and Willys Packaging.
If I wasn't crawling around in the snow installing a fuel pump in my daughters TJ I would have posted the picture by now.
Please keep all the snow.  We've had at least our fair share so far.

When you dig out the turn signal kit, it will be interesting to see the value of the Willys part number to see where it time we'd estimate the part was released.  

For now, I will maintain the criteria of modifications being the addition of anything not in the '45, '47 and '49 Willys parts lists as posted by Sean.  Also, reproductions of these parts are also considered to be original and not modifications for purposes of this classification.  

Of course, this choice is subject to change in the event new or better information surfaces as it often does.

An important comment on the movement of posts to Modifications from Original or to any other forum should not be viewed as lessening the value or worth of a post.  Rather, it is simply and attempt to categorize posts/threads in a predictable fashion to make future searches easier and more efficient.  If everything were all in a single forum, you'd be hard pressed to find anything from as recently as two years ago since search results are capped at the first 100 results returned.  Obviously, very careful selection of search terms helps as does a familiarity with terms that might have been used in the posts of interest.  That last bit is hard to accomplish if you are relatively new to the forum.
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Originally posted by samcj2a samcj2a wrote:



An important comment on the movement of posts to Modifications from Original or to any other forum should not be viewed as lessening the value or worth of a post.  Rather, it is simply and attempt to categorize posts/threads in a predictable fashion to make future searches easier and more efficient.  If everything were all in a single forum, you'd be hard pressed to find anything from as recently as two years ago since search results are capped at the first 100 results returned.  Obviously, very careful selection of search terms helps as does a familiarity with terms that might have been used in the posts of interest.  That last bit is hard to accomplish if you are relatively new to the forum.


Very good point IMHO. Also One could add the Willy's Equipment book to this discussion as well, all factory approved accessories, where do you draw the line ?. Forum searches often take time, most are in a hurry and find it easier to ask than look, adding to the clutter. Again MHO.

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