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    Posted: 14 Oct. 2009 at 10:46pm
Is there a steering box upgrade for th CJ2a?  I am also worried about the "death wobble"  I have heard of using CJ5 steering box, are there upgrade  kits available or a recomended parts list??  By the way, this is my first post!  My 14yr old son and I brought home a 48 willys, it has been lots of fun to work with him on it.
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I can appreciate your concern about the early "primitive" steering configuration of the 2A. That said, This early set-up worked fine if it was maintained. It would be alot more work to change it to the later set-up than to fix it for what it is.
The other downside of making this a big "later ugrade"  project is...more than likely your Jeep will be less desireable upon resale.
If your heart is into changing this, here is a great source that has alot of guys who have done it and have a different outlook.
 
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Changing (upgrading) the steering box isn't going to fix a death wobble. Worn kings pins, loose idler arm, bad tie-rod ends, loose relay rod, improper toe-in adjustment, bad knuckle seals, and out of balance tires are the causes of death wobble. As GaryArf said, if maintained properly the factory steering gear works just fine.

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Thanks for the help, like all 60+ year old vehicles, it will take some tlc.  I will start inspecting and replacing your mentioned parts. Great website!!!
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I am going to the Saginaw steering swap because the PO hacked out the entire Ross system and welded a  Saginaw box to the front frame horn.  I had to replace both frame horns and the tubular cross member.  It also had a funky GM tilt column.  Someone gave me a 1950 Jeepster column with wheel and steering box.  The Jeepster used a Saginaw type set up but the box is a lot smaller than a Saginaw box.  I am using a late 60's Chevelle manual Saginaw box and may use the Jeepster steering wheel with the big Willys emblem just to be different. I have been bookmarking every Saginaw swap website I can find and saving photos as well as taking photos of the swap.  I hope to see some at the Mason Dixon gathering next weekend.
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Originally posted by ralf ralf wrote:

........and may use the Jeepster steering wheel with the big Willys emblem just to be different. 
 
 
Oh yeah? LOL ............"I want to be different like everybody else" (I actually overheard that one time in reference to something else)
 
 
 
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Originally posted by rocnroll rocnroll wrote:

Originally posted by ralf ralf wrote:

........and may use the Jeepster steering wheel with the big Willys emblem just to be different. 
 
 
Oh yeah? LOL ............"I want to be different like everybody else" (I actually overheard that one time in reference to something else)
 
 
 
 
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Actually no, those two slots that look like air cond. vents are gauges.....so I have the normal four plus the tach.
 
 
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willysjuly-Aug09009.jpg steering picture by JohnColesI made the bracket to bolt on so no welding and to those who don't now better a stock look and it clears under the crossmember.
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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.  I have a black Willys logo steering wheel from a late 50's Willys pickup and a tan steering wheel with Willys logo from the 1950 Jeepster.  Looks like I will have to use the tan one.
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Thanks for the pic John.
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Just for those wanting the 'stock' look....the splines are the same, by the way.
 
 
 
 
 
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Nice steering wheel. From what Willys is it taken?
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Wagon or truck.....but that one's been modified some, it's 15".

 

 

 

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Seem,s I can never leave well enough alone. I decided to use Herm the Overdrive guys steering upgrade system. It uses a reverse rotation Ford box mounted just ahead of the motor mount. It was not cheap and it took quite a bit of fabrication to make it fit. With a V6 motor there is more room so if you want to keep the flathead four be prepared to modify his brackets. Here is a picture of the mounted box, Herm claims it is a more rigid system then mounting a Saginaw ahead of the round crossmember.


The radiator also need to be moved to clear or I guess I could have found a different rad with the outlet pipe moved.

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