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Bill2A
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Yes, timing chain or gears.
If you can tell us what your frame S/N is, someone might have an engine in that range. |
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1946 CJ2A 14098
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47Willy
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Thanks for the response. I'm not long looking for a specific motor. We've got a '47. (By "we" I mean it's hers. I'm just the mechanic). I'm quite sure it's the original motor and it doesn't really matter to us ( read "her) if it's not the original. I'm just curious from a historical standpoint what the differences are between WWIII motors and post-war motors.
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Unkamonkey
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WWIII motors? I proof read anything I send out and I still screw up.
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47Willy
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Yes, I screwed up. I replied on my phone w/o my glasses. My bad. Yes, I meant WWII. I'm hoping you're just pitching stuff. I used to post on a different forum and then people started being uncivil about the stupidest things. Being that this is my third post on this forum, I'm hoping that folks here are a bit more down to earth. I apologize if I'm overreacting.
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mbullism
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You're overreacting ... lighten up a bit and you'll find this place plenty vanilla, but you will not find a more helpful , more knowledgeable, more self policing group
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Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it... Welcome to 1930's Germany
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Unkamonkey
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Don't worry. I sent I sent 2 emails out to lady friends and I went back to proof read for the 3rd time. I had still screwed up what I sent.
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mbullism
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...perfect
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Unkamonkey
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I started about a year ago writing things for a friend to read while she was in a hospital having a knee replacement. Her sister got ahold of some of them and informed me that I didn't own that dog, she owned me. Really she owned the entire family. Renee goes in Thursday for the knee removal and to deal with a broken toe. I do have a few more things in mind to write about. Last night was about pianos and my grandmother playing Scott Joplin tunes when she was not playing an organ in church.
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47Willy
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Cheers. I’ll get my panties out of a wad soon enough.
So, were there many variations with these motors throughout the years? Or was the design fairly consistent?
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ndnchf
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There may be a few minor changes, but from what I understand, the Go-Devil proved to be a robust and dependable engine for the times. The F134 that superseded it developed a little more power due to its overhead valves, but still retained many of the original Go-Devil attributes.
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1948 CJ2A - It goes nowhere fast, but anywhere slow.
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drm101
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There's a guy in Saginaw MI who always has a few engines. He's always on Craigslist. Jake in Freeland, MI - 989-329-7263. Hopefully he won't mind that I put his number on here. He's a great resource.
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mbullism
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The military jeeps were produced based on interchangeability, and that carried through fairly well throughout. That said, get beyond the early chain drive stuff and the "minor" variations are bolt on. Still interchangeable, but sometimes requiring staying along a line... for example, same basic gear drive block, but a different starter requiring a different bell housing and ring gear, or same basic gear drive block, but with an intake with the studs 90* out, requiring a different carb and linkage, etc. etc. Later blocks have additional holes for later bell housings, but can accept earlier bell housings... The permutations are too many to list here, but the same basic engine core throughout. You'll find MB engines in 3As... my 2A came to me with an L134 out of a Kasier Henry J sedan with a kaiser supersonic head and 2A bolt ons (distributor, intake, starter, bell, etc), and now sports an L134 RMC M38 crate motor with an CJ3A head with an extra water port added, M38 style, and sealed bell housing to accept a 12V starter on a different ring gear...on and on. The block and internals are largely the same with minor variation, the bolt ons are project specific with numerous variations
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47Willy
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interesting information. Thanks.
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Unkamonkey
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smessi
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Babies, illnesses and deaths (not in any particular order) have conspired to sideline my efforts to restore what has become my fixation, my '46 CJ2A. After re-reading this thread I'm embarrassed to find that I left many responses unresponded to. Now that the aforementioned obstacles have been resolved (for better and sadly much worse) I will try to rectify those oversights. Firstly, Thank you.
to clarify, I never held out much hope of finding a "crated" motor but I just had to ask. I'm not necessarily looking for matching numbers or even particularly close numbers. I simply want my restoration to be faithful to the original, maybe it's a silly notion but to me taking the time, effort and expense to bring this machine back to original means the details matter, at least to me. Mr DRM101, After the holidays I will give that number a try. My thanks for risking the ire of someone whom I have no doubt will be a valuable resource. As far as the "chain/belt controversy" is concerned...I'm not concerned. Seriously people, everyone of you who responded with help or humor are part of a kinda family I may never meet, rarely talk to but will always remember. Okay I have some tinkerin' to get to
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LuzonRed47
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I reckon your boss still clings to the old "$50 Jeep in a Crate" mythology. If there were NOS L134 engines still warehoused, we'd all know about them.
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CJ2A #140275 "Ziggie" (purchased new by my dad in 1947)
ACM #124334 CJ3A windshield, Warn Overdrive 1953 Strick M100 trailer Serial #18253 |
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mbullism
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... if I find a warehouse of NOS go-devils, I aint talkin' (Welcome back, Smessi )
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Mark W.
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A couple thoughts if there were still 134L's crated from the factory most likely they would be the last version of the engine used in the DJ-3A's (2 soft plugs on the side of the Block) not ones from earlier years. The 134L was made at least up to 1964. In about 1975-76 I saw an engine in a crate with a for sale sign stapled to it. I stopped and took a look it was in fact a Military Surplus 134L complete with government tags on the crate etc. I asked the seller about it he told me his Dad had bought it many years before to make an Irrigation Pump out of it and never got to the project. They had sold off the farm and he was trying to clear out his garage. The Crate was pallet style with no solid sides just a frame work of 1x4's the engine was filthy from years of storage. It was complete as I remember fan to flywheel carb and distributor/ generator no starter that I remember. As the engine in CHUG was running fine at the time and as a High School kid (even working every summer since I was 5) I didn't have money to waste on an extra engine I passed telling my dad about it who also wasn't interested. From the way the guy talked I would have guessed the engine was bought via some sort of surplus in the late 50's early 60's He was asking $250 I think.
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Chug A Lug
1948 2A Body Customized 1949 3A W/S 1957 CJ5 Frame Modified Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962 |
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