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ndnchf
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Posted: 31 July 2020 at 5:22pm |
A buddy gave me this flywheel. Just to save some time, I figured to change the ring gear and have it ground in preparation for a trans/clutch swap. But I'm seeing a few cracks from the inner edge, roughly a inch long. Reading up on the subject, it seems heat cracks are quite common and some folks say it can be ground and still used. I don't know the condition of the flywheel currently in the jeep, but won't be surprised if it has cracks too. Apparently its not uncommon.
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1948 CJ2A - It goes nowhere fast, but anywhere slow.
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Oldpappy
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Doesn't look too bad to me. I would have it ground and use it.
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If you can't get there in a Jeep you don't need to be there!
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Mark W.
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The machinist will be the one to tell you ya or nay. But to compare the Disc brake rotors on my Dump Truck and Pup trailer get these same kind of cracks and they are only replaced if the crack goes from one edge to the other. Little cracks in the middle are just watched.
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Chug A Lug
1948 2A Body Customized 1949 3A W/S 1957 CJ5 Frame Modified Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962 |
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duffer
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The apparent crack that would worry me most is the one that appears to radiate from the pilot bore headed to the adjacent mounting bolt hole. If that is indeed a crack, send the flywheel to the scrap yard. I'm not sure an analogy to a brake rotor is a good one. The flywheel rpm's are much higher and if you have ever seen what happens when one actually comes apart, IMO, it just isn't worth it.
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1955 3B: 441sbc,AGE 4 speed transmission, Teralow D18w/Warn OD, 4.11:1 D44's/ARB's, glass tub & fenders, aluminum hood/grill, 8274, York OBA, Premier Power Welder; 67 CJ5: 225,T86AA, D18, 4.88's, OD
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cpt logger
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I concur with duffer on this one crack. However, it may just be a deep scratch or a gouge. It is hard to tell from these two pictures. Be sure to point that one out to the machinist. You do not want to experience an exploding flywheel! The cracks on the surface of the flywheel where the clutch disc engages that do not extend over the edge of the recess, (in the center of the flywheel for the crankshaft bolt circle), are not issues. However, the ones that do extend over this edge are a concern. Be sure that the machinist also evaluates these ones as well. IHTH, Cpt Logger. PS. I am a certified NDT, technician. (Non-Destructive Testing), IE: Magnaflux & dye penetrant among other forms. I am not bragging, I am just trying to help you sort out what value to put on my advice. PPS. The crankshaft bolt holes at 8:00 & 10:00 in the first picture appear elongated, are they?
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ndnchf
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the replies and insight. The pilot bushing appears to be staked for security.
I see no cracks around it. None of the bolt holes are elongated, its just the camera angle. This flywheel seems to have had very little use since it was last serviced. There is no perceptable wear from the clutch disc and the pilot bushing measures .629" which is just right for the mainshaft's .6265" pilot. Even the ring gear is in pretty good shape. But I heated and removed it last night. I have a new one if the flywheel turns out to be OK.
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1948 CJ2A - It goes nowhere fast, but anywhere slow.
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jeeper50
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How bad is the tooth wear on the starter ring? We used remove them and reinstall with the good side of the teeth facing the starter. Good to go- we did that on the old airline bag tugs for years no issues
Edited by jeeper50 - 01 Aug. 2020 at 3:22pm |
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ndnchf
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I've not pulled the trans yet. This is an extra flywheel a buddy gave me. My idea was to have it serviced and ready to install. The ring gear was not too bad, but I have a new one. I removed the old ring gear last night. But I won't install the new one on this flyheel until I get the machinists ok that it's good to use. If it's not, then I'm hoping the original flywheel will be ok.
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Oldpappy
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If it is bad, they make great tool stands for grinders and such.
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SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A
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Make sure that the tooth count is the same as your old ring gear if you end up replacing the ring gear. There are two different tooth counts for ring gears.
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ndnchf
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I just got back from the machine shop. His recommendation was to not use it. He likes vintage stuff and tries to save original parts whenever possible. But because of the crack pattern, location and depth, it would be best to retire it. So I'll follow his advice.
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cpt logger
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Good call. I hope your "original" one is repairable. If not, good used ones are available. |
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