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Tim,
Kidding, right?

Hard to gauge from photos and long distance instead of standing right next to it.......but

...for $80 it does look solid. In other words, I think there's at least $80 of M100 still there. But that's about it. The rest depends on what you want. There's a big difference between having something to safely tow down the road and having a M100 to safely tow down the road.

I'd say that (except for the tailgate --- which was never a M100 feature) what's left of the the body and maybe some underlying frame are M100, perhaps even the A-frame and lunette casting. But that's about all the original M100 I see left.

The axle, hubs, and brake backing plates might be M416, but sure don't look M100 to me. Wheels aren't M100. The entire suspension system (mounts included) looks entirely rigged of cobbled parts. Wrong taillights and brackets, missing fenders, missing landing leg and lunette, missing wire harness, missing brake handle, data plates, on and on.....would make it a pretty expensive M100 restoration if that's your plan. Unless your skills, tools, and available time are heavy into sheet metal and fabrication/repair, I've seen much better candidates out there to start off with. Takes patience for it to surface.

The good news is that most if not all M100 unique parts are still available to the smart shopper. Several military vendors even have replacement body panels. I see roughly $2,000 to restore it close to something resembling a M100 (including primer, paint, and a pair of new NDCC tires) but that could easy go north of $2500. As rare as they might be, still a tough sale at that price.

I paid $1100 for my all original with data plates older restoration M100. It only took some minor sheet metal repair. All the right M100 pieces were there. I violated my own rule and added it up --- I have near $3,000 in it. It's solid and looks great, but sure won't sell for that anytime soon.

Like I've learned in this hobby, (1) you can't sell it for what you have into it or even what you think it's worth, (2) if you have to ask what things cost, you can't afford it (and don't keep receipts), and (3) if you ever sell it, your labor rate works out to about $5 an hour for the time you have in it. Like most, I'm doing it for love, not money.

Good luck!


Edited by Ron D - 02 July 2021 at 9:11pm
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Free is always good.  Just went to epay to see what was available
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I should add that I stripped mine down to every last piece, nut, and bolt and had it media blasted, primed, and painted. Not something I could do in my home garage without huge one-time investment in space and tools not willing to do. That was $1000 labor paid to a small local shop. Most wouldn't touch non-insurance claim work at any price.

This was near 3 years ago now. Parts prices keep going up thanks to inflation and non-stop money printing. Shipping cost is going through the roof.


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Tim, Do not let the nay-sayers get you down. IMHO. You did well for $80.00. Heck, I have bought trailers in worse shape for more.

The question is what are your plans for your trailer? If you want a perfect original trailer, then you have a ways to go. It is not impossible, just not easy. You might be better off to find one in better shape & use this one for parts if you want one factory correct.

If you want a functional trailer, you have a fair base. How bad is the frame? It is cracked in a few places, it is hard to say from pictures just how bad the rust is. It needs a bit of welding & a patch or two. Next look at the springs, are the bushings worn through? New bushings are available, but if the spring eye is worn you need different springs. Those "helper" springs indicate that the main springs were not up to the job some PO used it for. For that matter all the cracking also point to the abuse the PO(s) put this little trailer through. As my uncle would say, "It was rode hard & put away wet." I suspect that happened often to this trailer.

One of the Brake drums is cracked & needs replaced. I have never seen one cracked like that. Now is the time to decide if you want to keep this bolt pattern or go with one that matches your tow rig. A standard Jeep pattern is what it came with, you get to choose what this trailer will have.

Once the frame, springs, & axle are in good shape the rest is up to you.

I would get it to this point & install some fenders as well as lights then put it to work. Other repairs or upgrades can be done later. A tailgate is very handy. There is a reason most trailers have one. I would keep it, but install a hinged metal one later, maybe one off a Jeep.

I use my rigs & have little interest in keeping them factory correct. When I find one that will be easily restored, I find it a new owner that will do that work. This is a trailer that I would repair & use behind either the 2a or one of my pickups.

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Must be an echo in here? Wink

I usually don't consider myself a "nay-sayer", but could be mistaken. LOL
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Originally posted by Ron D Ron D wrote:

Must be an echo in here? Wink

I usually don't consider myself a "nay-sayer", but could be mistaken. LOL

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Thank you for the input, it is valuable. I have no intention of restoration. I was looking for a small light weight trailer to pull behind my Jeep (07jk) I like projects and learning new things. I didn't see a cracked brake housing. I knew I was in for new bushings, now I'm going to just go with new springs and mounts.I will start with a teardown and sand blasting.
Then reevaluate.
Please chime in on other issues you see that I need to be aware of.
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Yeah, $80 hard to argue.

To add, IF you're going to keep the tailgate, perhaps supports to reinforce the back of the tub will help - especially if you're going to add weight, e.g. a load of gravel or camping tent added to the top, etc.  It may, over time, prove to be handy to have a landing leg in front.  If your clearance (hook up to tow) allows for spinning the Lunette Support Bracket 180 back to where it's supposed to be, you can use the existing Support Leg Bracket as indented.  Could be helpful.  Parts are available to get the components back to working order.  

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Silly me. And all this time I thought the purpose of these forums was to share opinions and experiences........

Having no intention of restoring it as a M100 is a key piece of information. If that were clear up front I would've kept my nay-saying M100 restoration experiences to myself.

Agree that $80 for a basic hull to fab a home-built rig is a pretty good place to start. It'll be a whole lot cheaper than restoring a M100.

Good luck!




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Originally posted by Ron D Ron D wrote:

Silly me. And all this time I thought the purpose of these forums was to share opinions and experiences........

Having no intention of restoring it as a M100 is a key piece of information. If that were clear up front I would've kept my nay-saying M100 restoration experiences to myself.

Agree that $80 for a basic hull to fab a home-built rig is a pretty good place to start. It'll be a whole lot cheaper than restoring a M100.

Good luck!







My mistake I should have mentioned it in the beginning. I like the honesty of what I have though. Thank you
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Ron D, I am going to ASSuME that you are kidding about being offended. I certainly hope so. None was intended.

Your perspective on this trailer is valuable to me if not to others. I am still learning things from folks like you. I also think that "the purpose of these forums was to share opinions and experiences........". It is.

However, I had no idea as to whether Tim was getting seriously discouraged by all the input that could be taken, incorrectly I might add, to imply that he had really messed up. He did not mess up it was/is a good buy.  With him being a "Newbee", I did not want to scare him off, at least not just yet. He has had & will have more experiences to offer this Forum. I do not want us to miss out on those experiences.

Tim, the left Brake housing/hub looks to me to have a serious crack starting near the center at 11:00 going to 7:00 & then radiating out from the center to the outer edge from 7:00 to 5:00. It may be a shadow, or an optical illusion, or maybe my eyes are bad & I need new glasses. Let me know so that I can make an appointment. TIA, Cpt Logger.
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Nope, not at all offended. That never crossed my mind. I'm a fairly thick-skinned old Jarhead. No worries Capt Logger.

Sometimes I can't resist (and I should) a little push-back on comments that I perceive misunderstand my intent. I'm in the habit of saying what I think, and diplomacy has never been my strong side. I'm pretty sure that one of the hardest things to do is communicate well over the internet. It's hard enough in person. Internet forum conversations can go sideways in a heartbeat. My rule is never say anything on the internet that I wouldn't say face-to-face. Preferably over a cold beverage. It serves me well, so far. But I'm also human and make mistakes --- just like everyone else.

I never considered that Tim (or any adult) would be discouraged by my or anybody else's remarks in an internet forum. I think that anybody who can find and buy what he bought for $80 --- and then see in his mind where he wants to take it --- and then do it --- is a great American. Asking for opinions in a forum and sorting them out is the easy part.

Happy 245th Independence Day to all!


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Looks like a great little trailer. Since it's not all original you can fix it however you want. good score.  Those saying it's not worth $80 are full of it.  Worth a couple hundred easily.   
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Hey Windy,
I just read every post again to be sure.

Nobody said it's not worth $80.


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Lookin4Dirt,
I have a M416, which is a later version of your trailer. Great little trailers and an easy project to work on. 

Parts are easy to find. Here is a good source: 

Also, a manual is a must:

Have fun.
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Ron, You & I will get along just fine. My uncle who helped raise me was a Jarhead, may he rest is peace. I hear you about speaking your mind. I am working on my diplomacy.

IMHO, Communicating on the internet is indeed tough. I am working on that so I communicate well without being too wordy.


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For $80 you can't go wrong. Price any number of Chinese junk trailers (and kits) at Harbor Fright and you'll agree. Having the tailgate mod (and I agree that it appears to have been an M100 originally) is a good thing if you plan to use the trailer for anything other than making a beach landing from an LCVP...

All of the American "jeep trailers", both military and civvy, were rugged and capable beyond their 1/4-ton ratings. The basic 'bones' are worth more than 80 bucks, and most if not all parts are being repopped if you want new.
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Thank you for all the insight.
The rust near the front is worse than I thought, but normal from what I have read.
my first objective is to fix the rear suspension mounts


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