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Topic: Preservation of a Working Trailer
Posted By: JeepFever
Subject: Preservation of a Working Trailer
Date Posted: 20 Feb. 2013 at 4:35am

I am totally new to the Bantam trailer scene.  Always thought they were cool,  but never really considered getting one until theCJ2Apage got me hooked.   . .  I was torn between finding a nice restorable Bantam, or getting a very cheap basket-case that I would not feel so bad about modifying,  (and using).

As things worked out, I am going the basket-case route. LOL . . I picked up the orphan that nobody wanted, and will give it new life. . . The PO said basically - > he was planning to haul wood etc. in it, until it fell apart, then he would remove some parts, and scrap the rest. . . . so - > maybe I saved its life.
 
It is a little rusty! Ouch   Not visible in photos is the approx 15" extension and replacement coupler (the Fulton is gone).  . . .  It does have the stock landing leg and casting.   Also not shown in these photos,  the outside beams of the frame are in bad shape in places,  and will need to be replaced.
 
 
View from driver rear.  .  I am not sure what this plate was supposed to be.  It is approx .090" thick and has that slotted bracket. . .   First thing I did was cut that whole plate off.  Smile
 
At some point the taillights and rear panel were modified.   It is not original,  but I think I like that "angular" look and might keep it.   No tailgate,  just a slot to slide a flat panel into.   I will make a pivoting tailgate.
 
 
I think rocks must have been dropped into this trailer at some point in its life.  The sides of the bed are very dented and distorted.  . . Hopefully I can "dolly" most of that out. . . That will be a learning experience.
 
View from passenger rear.   Not "quite" as rusty as driver side,  but not pretty.  . .  As you can see in a couple of the photos,  the steel floor is totally gone. .  it has a simple wood floor.  I will be removing that and replacing,  but not sure with what at this point.
 
 
This corner might be a challenging repair.   Still thinking on best way to do that. (to look somewhat original)
 
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This will be a low-budget project. . .  I have some unique plans for it,  and will share more as I progress.  . .   I haved drooled over some of the beautiful, meticulous restoration projects on this forum.  . .  This one will be a little different.  LOL
 



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Posted By: canorisa
Date Posted: 20 Feb. 2013 at 6:30am
Hey! JeepFever:

I think you have a working project in your hands but very duable.  Don't worry, just ask the questions as you go.  First thing I would do is sandblast it properly and see what you have to work with to start.  What kind of restoration are you going for?  A complete resto or just a working trailer restoration for now.

I said the same thing when I started my restoration and ended putting in $2800 on my restoration.  But I got the look that I wanted out of the whole deal.  

I'm sure you'll get more inquiries on your trailer.  Just my 2 cents worth, you can find the tailgate and the floor for your trailer.  Just ask and you'll see.  At the moment I forgot where but I know I have read on this site where others have found theirs.  Good luck and keep us updated on your restoration okay my friend.

good luck,

canorisa


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1940's Bantam T3-C


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 20 Feb. 2013 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by canorisa canorisa wrote:

I think you have a working project in your hands but very duable.  Don't worry, just ask the questions as you go.  First thing I would do is sandblast it properly and see what you have to work with to start.  What kind of restoration are you going for?  A complete resto or just a working trailer restoration for now.
 
I am planning on a "working" trailer, , one that will look good from 20ft,  and impress a novice LOL  . . .  It will unfortunately have a lot of "non-correct" parts on it.    My scope might change,  but I really doubt I will have more than $500 in it when done.  (not including the MANY hours of my labor,  haha).   I plan to do all the work myself.
 
This trailer will be used to haul firewood,  rocks,  dirt,  etc.   . .  I will not abuse it,  but I will use it.
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Originally posted by canorisa canorisa wrote:

I said the same thing when I started my restoration and ended putting in $2800 on my restoration.  But I got the look that I wanted out of the whole deal.  
 
Yours is one of those that I drool over. Smile    Some day,  if I ever find one with data plate and a title,  and in decent restorable shape,  I might try to make a correct one.  .  I will practice on this one first.
 
I need to find the thread to your build,   I think it had a lot of photos that might answer my first questions.  - -> are the side channels of frame "L" shaped or "C" shaped.   My trailer has an "L" shape,   3"x1.75"   . .  It seems odd to me that the cross braces,  and tongue are "C" shapes,  but the sides are "L"  . .  I would have expected sides to be "C" also,  and the floor lay on top of it.
second part of that question - -> how does the floor connect to the side rails.  In some photos,  it almost looks like the floor is simply butted up against the side rail,  and welded. 

Hope all that makes sense.   This frame has had some obvious patching done already,  and I do not know what is original,  and what is a patch.
 
 edit:  I had a few more minutes,  so went out to find the thread,  this is it:
http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/started-teardown-on-my-bantam_topic14934_page1.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/started-teardown-on-my-bantam_topic14934_page1.html
 
This is area I have question on,  but can't quite make out what is going on:
 



Posted By: 48cj2a
Date Posted: 20 Feb. 2013 at 5:41pm
You have a great trailer to do a project on!
 
To answer your question the side rails are just metal bent on 90 degrees.
 
Here is a good picture on my latest find sn: 191
 


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Posted By: canorisa
Date Posted: 21 Feb. 2013 at 2:43am
JeepFever:

I guess 48cj2a "Art" answered your question, lol.  THANKS Art.  As far as the floor is concerned, it was all welded to the side panels.

You know, when I started my restoration, I was going for not spending no more than $500 too!!! And the end result was spending more than what I bargained for.  Your scope truly changes once the restoration starts.

I still recommend that you do a full sandblast on your trailer.  Believe me, you'll find things more cleaner and you'll be able to tell right away what you have to do on the trailer.

I can't really tell from the angle but just to ask, are those combat wheels on your trailer or regular CJ2A wheels?

I'm glad you found the tread about my project AND THANKS for the complements :).  I hope you find the answers you are looking for in it.  There is even information on the hinges that you will need for the tailgate.  I'm not a welder or fabricator but I think mine turned out to be a pretty good project after all.  Don't know, you'll be the judge on that.

So please, as you continue your restoration project, don't forget to take pictures and post them.  By any weird chance have you looked for an ACM number under the trailer?  Some have it and some don't.  Mine didn't have one so don't worry if you don't find one.  Ask Art, he will guide you on where to find it.  LOL, at the present time I forget where is the darn thing is stamped.  My aging brain, you know., lol.

Talk more laters,

Joel




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E-mail: canorisa@msn.com

1940's Bantam T3-C


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 21 Feb. 2013 at 3:39am
Yes, thanks Art for the photo!  That very clearly shows the frame shape.   Since that does not have a floor I was still wondering how it attached.   I did find in one of Joel's photos  (one of the bright red ones LOL) a view from bottom,  where you can clearly see two thicknesses of sheet metal,  welded to the frame.  . .    I assumed that meant the floor is bent down 90 deg,  and placed outside the frame,  then  the side is place outside of that, and both are welded to frame at same time.  . . 
 
I definately plan to remove all the paint first before any repairs.   In my case some of that will be wire wheel on grinder,  some of it sanding disk,  and the hard to reach spots will be with a small sandblasting gun.
 
Those are '2A style wheels,  (with slots in them).   One is KH style,  one is Motor style Confused
 
I "think" I read somewhere the ACM number is on bottom the frame rail, near the front driver-side spring mount.  (maybe even under it?).  Do I have to remove the mount to see the number?   I will be taking the mounts off to repair the frame rails anyway.
 
 -Ron


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 22 Feb. 2013 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by 48cj2a 48cj2a wrote:

You have a great trailer to do a project on!
 
You have not seen the bad pictures yet! LOL
 
I will enjoy the project though.   I will be satisfying to take something about to be scrapped and preserve it.
 
I moved the trailer outside to do some grinding.   This view shows the hitch extention.   Also notice how the landing leg tilts,  the nuts are so rusty that they are almost pulled thru the holes.
 
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The body was not fastened on the sides at all.   Just 2 bolts in the front,  and welded brace in rear.  Here is photo of body propped up.   . .   You can see cracked frame above spring mount.
 
 
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Above spring mount on passenger side . .  not just a crack,  the whole section is gone.   It is amazing this trailer did not just break in half. Ouch
 
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From rear: . Here you can see all the framing that was replaced with C-channel,   and the rear brace.  It is a piece of 1/4" thick, welded on the sides and all the way across the bottom.   I had to cut that long weld to get the body off.  . .  I left the brace tied to the sides for now (since there is no floor).  That way I could take the body off without twisting too badly. 
 
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A view showing the banged-up sides . .  and another view of the frame rot.
 
 
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I ran out of daylight,   but finally got the add-on brace cut off the back,  (so I could remove the body).  They had welded a 3ft long piece of 3/8" threaded rod in the gap.   I had to grind and cut out that rod and the bubble gum weld job. Ouch   You can see the remants of the long weld on the top corner of the rear crossmember.
 
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My night-time work area.   You can see the body moved to side,  and the add-on brace that I had to cut off.
 
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I thought this was a cool looking photo.
 


Posted By: canorisa
Date Posted: 24 Feb. 2013 at 1:05am
JeepFever:

Dude, you have yourself a REAL project on your hands for sure :)  But don't be dismayed.  It is very do able.  I imagine, for the looks of your pictures, that you have a lot of welding to do.  You did say you are mechanically inclined, right, lol :P  I'm just saying cause I'm not.  I thank my lucky stars that all the welding I had to do was very minor and had some coaching on it from the former owner of the trailer, so that was that.

The last picture you posted was awesome.  I do believe those are the wrong type of tires on that trailer too, you know.  Are you going to replace them?

I was lucky enough that I found my little gem in an Avocado grove.  It was used to haul manure, avocados and farm equipment among other things too.  The former owner never knew he had a classic sitting right on his front yard.  Well, now he knows and he saw what I did to it and now he would love to have it back, lol.  Well, that's a little tough, huh!!!!, lol.

If you don't mind me asking, what color are you going to paint yours?  Just curious, that's all.  What other progress have you made on your trailer?  Anything lately?  Keep us posted.

Joel



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E-mail: canorisa@msn.com

1940's Bantam T3-C


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 25 Feb. 2013 at 5:40am
Originally posted by canorisa canorisa wrote:

Dude, you have yourself a REAL project on your hands for sure :)  But don't be dismayed.  It is very do able.  I imagine, for the looks of your pictures, that you have a lot of welding to do.  
I sometimes wonder how crazy I must be to attempt this LOL. . . it would have been easier to wait, and hopefully find one in better conditon.
 
Originally posted by canorisa canorisa wrote:

  I do believe those are the wrong type of tires on that trailer too, you know. Are you going to replace them?
 
Those tires are in bad shape,  they will be replaced,  but not sure what brand/type new ones will be.
 
Originally posted by canorisa canorisa wrote:

If you don't mind me asking, what color are you going to paint yours? Just curious, that's all. What other progress have you made on your trailer? Anything lately? Keep us posted.
 
I will be painting it o.d. green.  Two reasons:  1) to match my '2A,  using leftover paint  2) a non-glossy paint will help hide all the dents LOL     Speaking of color . . I have not determined original color for sure.  The original color of axle was definately green.  I am unsure on the body.  There is a lot of red as first coat,   but I found green as lowest level in a couple places.
 
This past weekend I made some progress:
I removed the axle,  sandblasted, painted,  and restalled with new U-bolts.  I probably would not have fooled with this,  but the nuts on U-bolts appeared to be rusted away.  This took longer than expected because as it turned out,  a previous owner had welded the U-bolts to the spring plate!! Angry  (rather than replace the nuts or entire U-bolt,  they simply welded everything) . . lots of grinding for me.
 
Fenders: 
1) pounded out 3 really bad dents,  and a bunch of smaller ones.   
2) welded all the cracks,  and welded in patches where metal was too thin,  or rusted away 
3) primer   . . .  almost ready to paint
 
Body:
1) lightly sandblasted everything to remove any flaking paint
2) pound out some of the dents.   Still lots to do,  but I was encouraged that maybe this may not be as bad as I first thought.
3) came up with a plan to fix multiple issues,  and a plan to replace the missing floor.
 
 
 -Ron
 
 


Posted By: canorisa
Date Posted: 25 Feb. 2013 at 6:58am
Ron:

I know that you must be feeling like you have lost your mind some where in the middle of the road with this project/build but you are not the first one my friend.  Here is a BT3-C I picked up after the big fire in Southern Cal back in 2003.  This trailer was burned to the ground and it was just crispy when I purchased it.  Talk about crazy....just look at the way and condition this trailer was in...


AND this is what I did with it after all was said and done.....


So, stick with it my friend.  Give that baby life again, lol :P  Look at it this way, you might be spending more money and time than she might be worth in the end BUT it's all a labor of love, lol.  Isn't that cute, lol.  You have to find the humor some where, lol.  By the way, what does the wife thinks about your latest project?  I know my EX had a fit every time I brought one home, lol.  I have done a total of 7 trailers all together and all 7 she griped and complained but I'm happy to report that she is an EX today, lol. 

OD Green sounds like a great color to put on her.  If you take a look at my build, you will see what type of wheels and tires I put on mine.  I even put where I got them from and how much I paid.  It would be great if you could find yourself a pair of CJ2A wheels.  That would complement your trailer well.  Just make sure the wheels are 16".

BTW, next time, and if you have time and took some, post some more pictures of the continuing progress of your trailer.  I would be much interested in seeing the progress in her.

Talk more laters.  It's almost 2 pm here in Thailand and I'm now officially hungry, lol.  

Joel 


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E-mail: canorisa@msn.com

1940's Bantam T3-C


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 26 Feb. 2013 at 4:57am
Joel . . BIG difference,  from rusty hulk to "like new" white trailer.  Smile
 
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I did a little work tonite on the frame. .   I started cutting out some of the rot.   Unfortunately the photos are not from same angle,   but hopefully shows "before" and "after" difference.
 
 
After cutting out the rot on side frame:
 
 
Before I go any further . . .   Art,  or any other experts - ->  should I be able to find an ACM number anywhere in this area?    I do not see any numbers,  but not sure where to look.
 
-Ron


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 01 Mar. 2013 at 4:08am
Originally posted by JeepFever JeepFever wrote:

Before I go any further . . .   Art,  or any other experts - ->  should I be able to find an ACM number anywhere in this area?    I do not see any numbers,  but not sure where to look.
 
The answers are on bantamTC3.com,  THANKS to Art !!
 
It is under the left front (driver side) spring mount and gusset plate:
http://bantamt3c.com/images/BantamT3C/acmlocation.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://bantamt3c.com/images/BantamT3C/acmlocation.jpg
If your frame has rectangular end caps on the front you will most likely not have an ACM number:
http://bantamt3c.com/images/BantamT3C/12183/12183frtrust.JPG" rel="nofollow - http://bantamt3c.com/images/BantamT3C/12183/12183frtrust.JPG
This type end frame caps would have an ACM number:
http://bantamt3c.com/images/BantamT3C/1291/1291frthooks.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://bantamt3c.com/images/BantamT3C/1291/1291frthooks.jpg
 
Unfortunately,  mine has the rectangular endcaps,  so no ACM number. Cry


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 01 Mar. 2013 at 4:22am
I spent a little time this week on trailer.  Unfortunately went backwards at first,  but now feel like I can start moving forward.
 
Yesterday I planned to weld in the frame patches.  My first action was to clamp a scrap piece of angle iron to bottom of frame,  to make it straight before welding.  Unfortunately,  instead of making the frame rail straight,  the angle iron bowed. Shocked
 
As it turns out, a PO stuffed the gap seen in this photo with a bolt, and welded it in:
 
 
That basically permanently forced the bow in frame you can see here:
 
I have no idea why he would have done that.
 
Today I used a grinder and Sawzall to remove all the extra crap that was welded in.  What a pain!   Currently,  everything forward of the spring mount is cut away, and in separate pieces.  Hopefully tomorrow,  I can start putting things back together again.  Smile
 
More pics to follow


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 03 Mar. 2013 at 1:47pm
I made some progress yesterday.
 
Some of the frame sections were removed earlier in the week.  Yesterday,  I cut out any remaining rot, and replaced with new "L" channel.   Currently it is only tack-welded.  I am hoping to do some repair to the body today,  and do a test fit.  
 
Here is a photo of my precision frame jig  . . . a 2x10, jackstands, some scrap angle,  and a bunch of clamps.
 
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This method actually worked better than I expected.  It held the crosspieces very level and square.  I did a lot of measuring,  front/back, side-to-side, and across the corners.
 
As mentioned earlier in thread,  a lot of this frame is not original,  someone welded in that "H" shaped center section.  Not original,  but it is sturdy.
 
This side-view shows where the frame was cut out.  (passenger rear not cut yet)
 
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Patch sections are tack-welded in.   I made these from a large steel shelf out of scrap bin.  I cut the edges off to 3.25" wide.  It is thicker material than original frame,  but those are good locations on the frame for a litte extra strength.


Posted By: F Bill
Date Posted: 03 Mar. 2013 at 2:16pm
Not bad, looks like it will be back in service soon.
 
Gotta love scrap bin parts....looks like it was just the ticket you needed!
 
Are you going to gusset the repairs on the inside of the frame any?


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Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 03 Mar. 2013 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by F Bill F Bill wrote:

Not bad, looks like it will be back in service soon.
 
Gotta love scrap bin parts....looks like it was just the ticket you needed!
 
Are you going to gusset the repairs on the inside of the frame any?
 
They throw away some nice stuff at work sometimes.  Anytime I have a project I visit the scrap bin every day.  LOL  
 
I was looking at some pictures of stock trailers and noticed those gussets.   I plan to add some today.
 
 


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 07 Mar. 2013 at 5:43am

Some other projects around the house have deadlines approaching, so I decided to get this trailer in working condition, then came back later in a few weeks to make it look nice.

The frame is mostly done, other than add some more gussets etc., and some day I want to replace the spring bushings etc.

Next step was to get the body started, and fastened to the frame. The body has a lot of rot all around the bottom where it was attached to the frame. I decided to make a rectangular "rim" out of 1"x1" angle-iron to be the bottom of body. It will provide a ledge to attach a floor to.

I set the pieces of angle-iron on the frame, cut to length and welded it together (the tailgate end is just a temporary brace) . . by assembling it on the frame, I knew it would fit later.

I took this "rim", flipped it over and clamped to upside-down body, ,   then tack-welded what was left of the body to the "rim":

 
 
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Here is a photo showing the body set onto frame. After this photo was taken I drilled some holes, and bolted the body-assembly to the frame. . .  Someday I will come back and make patches for all the missing body sections, and more securely fasten the assembly to the frame.

 
 
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For the tongue, I cut off the cobbled up ball entension, and fabbed a lunette ring. This will be more functional for my use.  . . .  Much easier to connect/disconnect in the 'field", and a more flexible joint over rough terrain.

I threw some plywood in for a bed and took for a test spin:

 
 
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This is another photo, not sure why I am including, except we all like photos. :)

 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: F Bill
Date Posted: 07 Mar. 2013 at 2:18pm
It is already back together and you are using it? Cool! That's quite a load of firewood you have there.
 
BTW if you are using photobreakit for your pics you need to have task manager ready to shut down the window PB is in. Their new software is really buggy from what I have seen. That way you can keep going.


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Posted By: 48cj2a
Date Posted: 07 Mar. 2013 at 2:32pm
 
Keep up the good work - Looking Good!!!
 
If you have a lot of txt to write you might do it in a word processer program and cut and paste it in...don't even ask how I know thisOuch been there done that quite few times on timeout, lockout etc.


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Art C USAF (Retired)

47 CJ2A #134955 Project
48 CJ2A #206759
62 L6226 Station Wagon #58167 10900
45 T3-C #191 Project
http://www.bantamt3c.com
http://www.48cj2a.com


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 07 Mar. 2013 at 6:38pm
Originally posted by F Bill F Bill wrote:

It is already back together and you are using it? Cool! That's quite a load of firewood you have there.
 
BTW if you are using photobreakit for your pics you need to have task manager ready to shut down the window PB is in. Their new software is really buggy from what I have seen. That way you can keep going.
 
This trailer is now in "usable" condition,  but far from finished. . .  kinda like getting a '2A running,  then driving for a while before doing the bodywork.
 
This is pine,  so not quite as heavy as it looks.   I also did a load of oak,  but did not fill it that full.  This is so much better than loading in the back of Jeep  (my previous method for bring firewood up out of woods)
 
I think I have a hardware issue with my PC,   it is very random,  and does not happen often,  but sometimes will "blue screen" in the middle of working. Angry


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 07 Mar. 2013 at 6:42pm
Originally posted by 48cj2a 48cj2a wrote:

 
Keep up the good work - Looking Good!!!
 
If you have a lot of txt to write you might do it in a word processer program and cut and paste it in...don't even ask how I know thisOuch been there done that quite few times on timeout, lockout etc.
 
Thanks!
 
I was doing that,   but did not save the word processor file.  Confused   so it was Murphy's Law that the PC decided to blue screen Angry


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 07 Mar. 2013 at 6:49pm
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Concerning the test drive . . .  I really like this trailer!  . .  it follows behind the '2A thru some really tight trails.   . . There is a section of trail with tight S-turns,  between trees,  the '2A barely fits,  but suprisingly,  the trailer just follows with no problems.
 
Also, it is light enough that I don't have to try to back up the trailer.  (not fun without power steering).   I can drive up close to where I want to be.   Unhook the trailer,   push the trailer where I want it,  (even if weaving between trees),   then back the Jeep up to it, and reattach.  . . . The lunnete ring and pintlehook makes this easier too.


Posted By: F Bill
Date Posted: 07 Mar. 2013 at 7:14pm
Awe come on....you need more backing up practice so you can impress the crowds at the reunions when you back the trailer onto your transporter...It takes real talent to do that I have found. (Best I can hope for is to back it on the traier, disconnect and reposition it by hand, then dirve the jeep on. )
 
That short tongue and no power steering does make things interesting in a hurry, doesn't it?
 
 


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Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 11 Mar. 2013 at 2:32am
 
.
Earlier,  I told myself that I do not have time to be working on this dumb thing, ,  but I am hooked! LOL
 
Yesterday I thought I would do ONE more thing and weld in a patch at passenger-side front, (there was virtually nothing attaching that corner to the frame).  . .  I put in the patch,  but then thought - -> "I should go ahead and put a little bondo on the fenders to smooth the welded patches", . .   then I thought - ->  "hey, it is 65 degrees outside,  maybe I could spray on an quick paint job" 
 
 I went a little farther than planned,  but  I am sure my wife appreciates this setting in the driveway,  rather than the rusty looking one (or even the primered one).  Big smile
 
 
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I still have a LONG way to go before finished,  but it sure does look better than when I brought it home.  
 
NOW . . .  I am done working on it for a while.  Wink 
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Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 11 Apr. 2013 at 3:01am
Doing a little cross-posting,   but here is a photo of my trailer doing some "work".   
 
Cleaning leaves out of our road-side ditch is an annual Spring-time chore,  the Bantam trailer worked much better than wheelbarrow or tarp that I have used in the past.
 
 


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 23 Aug. 2013 at 4:00am

Did a little more work on this trailer.

 
The frame repairs were previously only a little more than spot-welded.   Since this trailer is getting close to working season, it was time to fully weld the frame.   The body was removed, and all the joints welded fully . . some extra angle and fish-plates added.  It should now be even stronger than original.
 
 
For anyone looking,  be aware that almost none of this frame is original,  so don't copy, if you are restoring.  :)
 
This working trailer got some brand new tires,  (the ones it came with were so dry-rotted that chunks were falling out of them).    These new tires are temporarily mounted to his older brother's combat rims,  while his are being restored.


Posted By: canorisa
Date Posted: 23 Aug. 2013 at 6:20am
Ron:

You have done a superb job trying to save that little trailer from the scrap yard.  I applaud you Sir!!!  Cool job on your progress.  I am wondering, have you gotten a tailgate for the little trailer yet?  Where are those combat rims from?  I know you mentioned they are your brothers but from what - A Jeep?  Cool tires by the way.  Where they had to install in those combat rims?

Since you started this post, I have seen quite a few Bantams, M416's and even M100's come and go on Criagslist in VA.  I wonder if you have been keeping your eyes on them as well.  Some have been very nice and some have been truly for the talented, if you know what I mean. 

Just now, there is a very nice, fully restored, 1947 BT3C selling on eBay and Craigslist in Florida.  Have you seen the pictures?  But I'm afraid the guy wants $1500 for it but you don't have to do anything to it but keep it in the garage and show it off.  I don't think you would want to haul dirt in it after all that nice work, lol :P

Keep in touch and let us know about your continued progress....

r/s,

Joel


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1940's Bantam T3-C


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 23 Aug. 2013 at 1:24pm
Joel,  thanks for the compliments!  I sometimes wonder why I bought such a rust bucket,  but in the end, it is satisfying to know I saved it.
 
I have two trailers now.   I did buy one of those you mentioned. LOL  The 2nd one is #3122.  It was in better shape than this working trailer,  but still needs a lot of work.   It will be my "restored" one,  as close to original as I can get it (without spending much money).   It is the "older brother" I mentioned,  and is loaning out its combat wheels. 
 
The combat wheels needed some repair.  I welded in a patch around the valve stem,  and have a bunch of coats of epoxy primer on the inside of rims to fill the rust pits.  The tires were not hard to mount after I figured out the best method (in another thread).
 
My daughter-in-law works for tire company and can get really good deals tires sometimes,  these came up on the list,  not exactly what I would have ordered given choice for anything, but close enough,  and I think will be great for this working trailer.
 
I definately will have more photos to come.   I just wish I had more time to work on it.
 


Posted By: canorisa
Date Posted: 24 Aug. 2013 at 3:00am
Okay Ron, you are holding out on me dude.  When did you get this second trailer?  How come you haven't posted any pictures?  What color is it?  Do you know the year of manufacture?  Was it local or you had to do some driving to get it?

Most of these old combat wheels I have seen on these posts have the same problem.  Pitting and rust.  Can't go around it.  There are some that have come up 100% solid but the sellers were asking a bundle for them.  I know they are of value but man, you know.  I have seen, in some cases, where new ones would cost less and are 100% solid, you know.  Anyways....

You didn't mention it but did you added a tailgate to your trailer or is that still in the works?  Let me know, I saw, on another post, a gentleman who is manufacturing these tailgates.  They are not cheap, they run about $300 but the quality is really good.  So let me know.

Right now I can't wait to get home from this trip of mine so that I can take out the trailers and put them to some use.  The 416 needs tires.  The tires on it right now are still the original tires when I first purchased the trailer and even though they hold air and are good, I don't trust them on the freeway, if you know what I mean.  So they have to go.  Do you know of a tire place where I can go where I won't get nickel and dime to death?  I need a good source, trust worthy, reliable and the price must be right.

Well, hope to hear back from you.  Please do post some pictures.  I would love to see them.

Take care my friend,

b/r,

Joel


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1940's Bantam T3-C


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 24 Aug. 2013 at 4:34am
I got the 2nd trailer a couple months ago,   there are some photos in another thread:
http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/whats-not-original-on-this-bantam_topic28792.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/whats-not-original-on-this-bantam_topic28792.html
 
It is a '46,  and multi-colored. LOL  Originally it was green.  I am guessing the combat wheels are the originals,  because  Art's site list them as proper for the serial#,   and they were originally green like the body.
 
I did not have to drive too far to pick it up.  It did not cost much more than the first one,  but is in better condition.   So far I have POR'd the frame and under floor,  and repaired the tailgate.   The floor needs some work.   I will start a project thread once I start working on it more.
 
For the tailgate on the working trailer,  I am going to use one from a '2A.  I like the idea of being able to remove in some situations.  It is not original of course,  but I think it looks good on there.   I will take some photos once I get the body back on.
 
For the Jeeps and trailers I do all my own tire mounting.
 
 
 
 


Posted By: canorisa
Date Posted: 24 Aug. 2013 at 9:16am
Ron:

Super and congrats on your trailer purchase.  The trailer might look a little bit rough right now but taken into consideration all the rust build up over the years but a good sandblasting and it would be as good as new, I'm sure of it.  

What kind of restoration you have planned out for this trailer?  I see, from your other post, that you have started some work on it.  How did the tailgate come out?  I see that you did some repairs and some spot welding.  

Did you ever get an answer to your hinges question?  I had the same problem when I was restoring mine.  I can't remember of the top of my head right now but I know is in one of my update posts that I talked about the hinges.  I was fortunate enough to find a mom and pop type of hardware store that had the exact same hinges available, so was lucky to even find them.

I'm very interested in seeing what you have accomplished so far, so whenever you have the time, please do post some pictures.

I haven't seen a Bantam T3C with a 2A tailgate on so I don't know what to tell you.  If you say it looks good, then so be it.  Would love to see it when you have it all done though.

Thanks and good luck with the projects,

r/s,

Joel


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1940's Bantam T3-C


Posted By: 3-48s
Date Posted: 24 Aug. 2013 at 3:22pm
Hi Ron,
Great Save! It is nice to see these old dogs put back to work. I have done a couple of "BANTAMS w/patina" myself.
You have great vision and skill and sure don't have to worry about scratching the paint when your done. If your fenders are to far gone they sell sturdy steel replacements a Tractor Supply that are pretty close. They will need to be massaged a bit with notches in order to use original fender mount clips. I have used them twice with good success and they look almost original but do not have the inside bead on them.
Nice work Sir. I guess your practice on your tailgates is paying off!


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1948 CJ2A #176528 "Elmer"
1948 CJ2A #155970 "Gray Mule"
1948 CJ2A #155365 "Old Yeller" (GONE)
BANTAM T3C # 6147 (GONE)
BANTAM T3C # 30856


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 26 Aug. 2013 at 4:22am
Originally posted by canorisa canorisa wrote:

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What kind of restoration you have planned out for this trailer? I see, from your other post, that you have started some work on it. How did the tailgate come out? I see that you did some repairs and some spot welding.
 
Did you ever get an answer to your hinges question?
 
I am going to try to make #3122 as close to original as possible without spending a lot of money.  It will be same restoration plan as a '51 CJ3A I have waiting in the wings, and will be painted same color.  (the '3A was originally tan).  These will be my "restored" pair.   My current '46 '2A and working trailer will be the scratch-and-dent pair. Smile
 
The tailgate repair turned out decent.  I removed the huge "bow" it had,  and replaced the lower 3 inches.  It is currently in primer,  but once I paint it, I will take some photos.  I ended up using some hinges from Tractor Supply.   The pins were not original diameter, but the plates were 1/8" thick, so should be fairly sturdy.
 
Originally posted by 3-48s 3-48s wrote:

Hi Ron,
Great Save! It is nice to see these old dogs put back to work. I have done a couple of "BANTAMS w/patina" myself.
You have great vision and skill and sure don't have to worry about scratching the paint when your done. If your fenders are to far gone they sell sturdy steel replacements a Tractor Supply that are pretty close. They will need to be massaged a bit with notches in order to use original fender mount clips. I have used them twice with good success and they look almost original but do not have the inside bead on them.
Nice work Sir. I guess your practice on your tailgates is paying off!
 
Wow, thanks! . .  Call me crazy, but I like the petina.   

On the fenders,  I had to weld in several patches,  and weld some cracks,  but the fenders turned out decent and sturdy.   The beads were in good shape fortunately.
 
 


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 26 Aug. 2013 at 5:02am
You two inspired me. .  I decided that I was going to complete "stage 2" on this trailer over the weekend. . .   But then "life" intervened.  LOL   . .   did not get near as far as hoped, but did get some work done.
 
I had hoped to at least get the tailgate mounted and another coat of paint on entire trailer,  but could not force myself to ignore this rusty section any longer,  so plans went on detour   . .   I cut out all that rust, and will weld in a patch.  . .  I also ended up cutting out the back panel.  It was just too distorted.
 
 
Then,  while measuring for a plan for mounting tailgate,  I realized that the previous work on this trailer,  (and some hits it took)  had the back-end very distorted.
 
I took some measurements from the better trailer,  and set about trying to get this trailer to be the same.   That way,  if I ever do decide to mount a factory-style tailgate,  it will fit with no problems.
 
Here is photo about half way thru the process.   I got that laser level when putting in foundation for garage,  but find it very handy for things like this also.
 
 
It is tough to describe with words,   but basically the pipe clamp and strap are to get the bottom "U" shape as square a possible.  The angle across top is to maintain the distance for chain holes.   The difficult part was getting the upper portion bent to shape.  . .  I had to cut some relief notches etc,  to be welded up later.
 
As mentioned before,  I did not get near as much time as I hoped to work on this.   I did make a little progress past this point, and will post photos later.
 


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 03 Sep. 2013 at 2:20am
Over the 3-day Labor Day weekend I got some time to work on the trailer.
 
All the rust in rear was cut out and replaced with solid steel,   the tail-light panels were beefed up and extended down, to bolt into frame.  There is no wobble in the sides now.Smile   I kept the tapered look in the tail-light panels,  thinking that it might be safer from damage if I take this off-road. (and for a reason to be disclosed later Wink)
 
A view of the Willys tailgate below.   I had considered stretching it up a few inches to the top of trailer,  but decided that functionally I would rather have a shorter tailgate.  
 
I like the fact that this tailgate is removable,  for some of its chores,  it will be easier if the back is open.  . .  It has no chains yet,  but will be added later.
 
The paint is Gillespie WWII green,  applied with brush and roller,  but is too glossy. (especially for this rough body)     I used the aerosol can in some places to tone down the shine a little.  The wheels were done with aerosol.    Some day I will spray the entire trailer,  and maybe even add a little flattening agent . .  a flat finish will hide some of the dents.  LOL   . .  the last photo is in the shade, and looks a little dark.  The previous photo looks more like the actual color.


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 08 Sep. 2013 at 2:31pm
Shakedown runs!
 
Got the trailer on the road yesterday.   Added the wiring for lights, both to trailer and '2A
 
 - first took a load of old carpeting and padding to landfill
 - when my wife saw trailer,  she asked if I could take to pick up some unfinished cabinets she wanted
 - we had planned to visit in-laws,  so I loaded up some fill dirt he wanted for yard.
 
50 miles total driving,  and the trailer worked great,  even with a fairly heavy load of dirt.
 
 


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 09 Sep. 2013 at 2:07am
a few more notes about yesterday.
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My '2A, plus trailer, weighed 3050lbs, empty, on the scale at landfill. I have wondered how much my mods added. . . . Now I know. :) - > 3050-2875 = 175lbs
- I think a stock '2A is in the 2300 range? Mine has 225 V6, winch, pto, overdrive, rollbar, dana 30, 11" brakes, saginaw steering, larger tires . .
- I think a stock trailer is 575lbs, but mine has extra metal in the frame, larger tires, and a 30lb mat in bed.
The floor in my working trailer is made of wood boards, which can collect a lot of stuff in the cracks. I am going to try a bed mat to keep things cleaner. This is a 1/4" rubber mat from local farm supply. It comes on 4 foot roll. I left it 4 foot wide, and cut out a 5"x5" corner in front, and let the material fold up the sides of body. It seems to work out very well for hauling dirt etc.
 


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 02 Oct. 2013 at 3:43am

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I am loving this trailer!  . . cut some firewood this past weekend.   It saves time because I can move the wood with 1/3 the number of trips into the woods behind my house.
 
The rubber pad is great also.  I can toss the wood in without fear of damaging trailer,  and it keeps all the crap out of the cracks.
 
I wish I had discovered Bantam trailers many years ago.  LOL


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 18 Mar. 2016 at 4:13am
This trailer has been "working" for the past couple years now.   Today,  maybe a little too hard. LOL
 
I wanted to get some lime for the yard and garden,   and thought I could save some money by buying in bulk from local farmer co-op.    The operator there did not seem too thrilled to fool with my little trailer,  but did fill it anyway.    The bucket on his loader must have been 8ft wide,  so he had to fill just one side of it, to dump in my trailer.
 
I asked for 800lbs,  because I thought that might be the max.    He loaded it with 1340lbs !!  . . the poor trailer was riding on the bump stops,  and the tires looked low.   Driving home,  50mph was max speed.
 
The trailer survived,  but I will not do that again!  (even though the lime was less than half price what I would have paid for bags Smile )  . .   I am sure you guys with nice trailers can not believe I abused mine like this. Ouch   I have to admit I feel bad for the little guy,  but he did fine.
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 21 Mar. 2016 at 5:11am
Another photo to make those of you with pristine restorations - > cringe.  :-)
 
Also another purpose of this  photo ->  to show the homemade bows.   Not elegant,  but easy to intall, and cheap to make.
 


Posted By: canorisa
Date Posted: 21 Mar. 2016 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by JeepFever JeepFever wrote:

Another photo to make those of you with pristine restorations - > cringe.  :-)

JeepFever....You are so right about that my friend.  My trailer USED TO BE a working around the farm type of trailer but AFTER I was done with it, it's no longer that type of trailer any more.  It's more of a SHOW type of trailer, I'm afraid, lol :P  Now I have just too much money wrapped up into it and all I can do is show it off :)

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1940's Bantam T3-C


Posted By: rocnroll
Date Posted: 21 Mar. 2016 at 2:19pm
Ron, I LOVE the bows......good designing! Thumbs Up


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'48 CJ2A Lefty

"Common sense is not that common"


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 21 Mar. 2016 at 5:08pm
canorisa:   I would not want to scratch or dent that trailer either,  it is beautiful!
 
Chad:  I can't take credit for the idea of using cpvc for bows.   I saw the concept somewhere.   I came up with the layout and dimensions for this set.    They work great,  pop in and out,  and are surprisingly sturdy.    Even survived a freak 18" snow here this year.     I have not tried driving with them though.


Posted By: rocnroll
Date Posted: 21 Mar. 2016 at 5:39pm
The layout is what I like about them.....the two pairs connected together. A self supporting design. Thumbs Up


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'48 CJ2A Lefty

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Posted By: canorisa
Date Posted: 22 Mar. 2016 at 7:11am
Originally posted by JeepFever JeepFever wrote:

canorisa:   I would not want to scratch or dent that trailer either,  it is beautiful!

Ron:  Thanks for the compliments.  I would like to use the trailer more often but now that is so beautiful, I don't think I would Big smile  It's been in dry storage ever since the restoration so it has not seen the time on the road yet.  It does ride just fine but now I have to finish my sides, which I already have, and put my bows on and get my tarp that I'm going to have made for it and call it the day on this project.

The tarp is going to be Marine grade and in black, just in case you are wondering.  I think that once it's all said and done she will definitely look beautiful.

Joel


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1940's Bantam T3-C


Posted By: FZY1
Date Posted: 19 Sep. 2016 at 2:28pm
Could you do a parts list on your bows?


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 20 Sep. 2016 at 4:26am
Originally posted by FZY1 FZY1 wrote:

Could you do a parts list on your bows?
Each "double-bow" is made from 3/4" CPVC tubing and fittings. 
(4) 90 deg elbows
(4) 45 deg elbows
and (8) straight sections.
 
I will measure the straight sections and post later.


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 24 Sep. 2016 at 3:50am
Material list,  all 3/4" CPVC:  (from top to bottom)
- (2) top sections 47"
- (4) 45deg fittings
- (4) uprights 4"
- (4) 90deg fittings
- (2) bottoms 14.5"
 
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Posted By: FZY1
Date Posted: 29 Sep. 2016 at 2:15pm
Thank you very much.


Posted By: Gil
Date Posted: 28 Dec. 2018 at 1:05pm
Nice job on that trailer Ron,love what you did for roof bows.Thumbs Up



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1998 Jeep Cherokee 2 doors
2016 Jeep Cherokee TrailHawk


Posted By: JM-46CJ2A
Date Posted: 27 Apr. 2023 at 9:56am
Excellent trailer project post, thank you!  Well done!  Clap


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Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 01 May 2023 at 8:50am

Originally posted by JM-46CJ2A JM-46CJ2A wrote:

Excellent trailer project post, thank you!  Well done!  Clap

Thanks!   . .   very ironic that you posted a few days ago  . . .   on that same day, I literally was purchasing some wood to replace the floor! LOL    I originally used some 3/4" treated fencing board,  but it is broken in several places,  I am going to try 5/4 deck board next.  

Looks like it has been 7 years since I resurrected this trailer.   I have used (and abused Embarrassed) it a LOT over those years,  but it is still working great.   I made some changes to tailgate area,  and will post some updates later.

One of the uses is hauling a brush-cutting mower to my son's property.  It fits just right (along with the ramps).  I borrowed this photo from the "real work" thread:



edit:   The CPVC bows are still holding up also. Smile    They have been on and off many times.



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