Windshields - 3 types
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Topic: Windshields - 3 types
Posted By: sean
Subject: Windshields - 3 types
Date Posted: 12 Nov. 2006 at 7:51pm
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The Willys parts lists would have you believe there were only 2 styles of windshield on CJ2A, early & late, with all changes occuring at s/n 15304. Turns out there was a 3rd configuration, with some attributes from both early & late styles. I'd like to collect data to figure out when the final changes took place. Let me know if you can help out. Web page w/details: http://www.cj-2a.com/parts/Body/windshield/types/index.html - CJ2A Windshield Types A quick reference for ID: http://www.cj-2a.com/parts/Body/windshield/types/quik_ref.html - Windshield Quik RefSean ------------- http://www.CJ-2A.com" rel="nofollow - CJ2A Data site http://www.nulltime.com/jeep" rel="nofollow - 2A #16279 |
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Posted By: Howard
Date Posted: 12 Nov. 2006 at 8:16pm
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You get an... 'Atta Boy'. Great work, Sean.
You have my data from #23353.
I am pleased to see you recognize that the parts list is not completely accurate... as written. Thanks for your work, again.
Howard ------------- Howard F Jewett 1946 CJ2A #23353 43 GPW 106505 USA #20366014 43 Bantam Trailer T3 #14844 52 M100 K1119 |
Posted By: GaryArf
Date Posted: 18 Nov. 2006 at 7:01pm
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Sean, I have a early style windshield outer that doesn't have ant stops at all. I believe that the corner gussets are what someone welded in there for stops. I see no evidence of and stop, bumper hole or no bumper hole.
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 I bought this on e-pay It has the studs for the early sliding military arm. I don't have any corallating data on ser. #'s but it needs some explanation.
Gary ------------- CJ2A #10021 #34692 #58500 |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: 19 Nov. 2006 at 12:13pm
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Gary: Interesting find. You're sure it hasn't just been removed? Your first photo has some rust spots right where it would have been spot welded, about halfway out from bow retainer. I can't tell from the angle of the photos, but is that a short windshield? If so, it could be from a CJ2 prototype. This photo, from the '45 Maintenance Manual, is a CJ2. No backstop brackets:  Sean ------------- http://www.CJ-2A.com" rel="nofollow - CJ2A Data site http://www.nulltime.com/jeep" rel="nofollow - 2A #16279 |
Posted By: GaryArf
Date Posted: 20 Nov. 2006 at 10:05pm
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Sean,
I want to take some more serious pics of this windshield as I think it's the real Thing. I've looked all along the area that the stop would be and have found nothing but consistant paint (a number of colors) markings and no evidence of anything being removed. I still have the opportunity to ask about it from the seller, This I will do.
Gary ------------- CJ2A #10021 #34692 #58500 |
Posted By: lowenuf
Date Posted: 20 Nov. 2006 at 11:11pm
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45 original MB frame, and it does not have the bumper brackets, would this be the same as the pre-2A (late 45, early 46 frames) ?..low
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Posted By: Oakes
Date Posted: 21 Nov. 2006 at 8:31am
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My 10043 has no bump stops either. Sounds like the first configuration and their are 4 now.
The earliest ones also had the two holes in the rear side bow pocket, that funky headlight switch and no firewall data tags, not drilled for it either.
We also have the 4.5" slat grill solid disc rims and no acm#'s on the tailgate.
Hard to see in the picture.
 ------------- SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES, THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY STILL BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU PUSH THEM DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS |
Posted By: Howard
Date Posted: 21 Nov. 2006 at 10:12am
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Bill...What is the deal with that picture...very cool. Got to be a story there.Must have one of those winches and rollers!
Howard ------------- Howard F Jewett 1946 CJ2A #23353 43 GPW 106505 USA #20366014 43 Bantam Trailer T3 #14844 52 M100 K1119 |
Posted By: Oakes
Date Posted: 21 Nov. 2006 at 10:45am
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I have the jeep here but it looks nothing like that now. I have the original dealers invoice and transfer of ownership documents from WO to Gus. I spoke to the original owners son who then sent the picture. As a child, he was kidnapped when the Lindburg child was. Dad, the driver, was a famous radio show producer. They picked the jeep up and although the Capstan winch and driveshaft guards aren't on the invoice, they were put on as a gift. The owner and Charlie Sorenson, head of WO at the time both signed and dated the picture. Supposedly there is another w/ Charlie handing the keys to Gus in front of the jeep. They drove the jeep home to CT. It took two days. The caretaker, the second owner says he's looking for the original title and told me that the drum pully on the invoice was a fiber one.
Gus, the owner/driver, did two shows a week in Detroit. Although he was a radio show producer he was trained as an engineer, in his home country, and only took the radio show job in Detroit so he could visit the vehicle assembly lines. He was friends w/ Sorenson and Bunky Knudsen. I still need a few things to start the resto, like the handcrank, drivers side seat and the driveshaft guards. It has 26K on the odometer and I've spoken to all the owners or family family members.
------------- SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES, THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY STILL BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU PUSH THEM DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS |
Posted By: wyowillys46
Date Posted: 21 Nov. 2006 at 1:40pm
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That's an amazing story. You're lucky to have all that Bill. I'm jealous. ------------- 1946 #27869 Take a look at my webpage: <a href="http://wyowillys46.awardspace.com">Wyowillys46</a> |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: 21 Nov. 2006 at 2:22pm
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Well, the lack of backstop bumpers would seem to be correct for early windshields. Aside from Garys & Bills, take another look at connomans awesome "barn find". First photo that Gary posted for him: http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2517 - - S/N 10371 Barn find No backstop brackets. Sean ------------- http://www.CJ-2A.com" rel="nofollow - CJ2A Data site http://www.nulltime.com/jeep" rel="nofollow - 2A #16279 |
Posted By: GaryArf
Date Posted: 21 Nov. 2006 at 7:09pm
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Sean,
Here's another question between Bill's photo and Matt's barn find (kinda off topic but a good comparision)
Bill's #43 column shift lever knob is BLACK. Matts #371 column shift lever knob is IVORY.
I've seen both... Which is correct? ------------- CJ2A #10021 #34692 #58500 |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: 21 Nov. 2006 at 7:31pm
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Gary: Well, I don't know for sure. I've read the comments on the ivory knob, and I've been meaning to mention this EVENTUALLY, so this sounds like a good time. The ENTIRE shift lever in Matts #10371 does NOT look like all the others I've seen. It may not be original. Sean ------------- http://www.CJ-2A.com" rel="nofollow - CJ2A Data site http://www.nulltime.com/jeep" rel="nofollow - 2A #16279 |
Posted By: Oakes
Date Posted: 22 Nov. 2006 at 9:40am
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The early wagons could be had w/ an ivory column shift knob ------------- SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES, THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY STILL BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU PUSH THEM DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS |
Posted By: Oakes
Date Posted: 22 Nov. 2006 at 9:53am
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Ever notice the tiny distributors that the 45 2A's had vs the WWll and later 2A's? ------------- SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES, THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY STILL BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU PUSH THEM DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: 23 Nov. 2006 at 1:24pm
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Bill: The narrow body distributors were Autolite IGW-4177-1. The condenser was mounted externally. We've had discussions about these before (here & on the G), vs the IAD-4008, which was used on MB and some CJ2As. The manuals, as usual, are not definitive about when the 2 types were used.
Matts '45 #10371 has the IGW-4177-1. '46 2As #16279 and 16489 have the IGW-4177-1. First IAD-4008 I see in my photo archives is '47 #110923. It's hard to make heads or tails of the manual listings, but it appears the IGW-4177-1 was the first distributor to be installed, then sometime before the end of '48 they either switched entirely to the IAD-4008, or used it interchangeably w/the IGW-4177-1. Sean ------------- http://www.CJ-2A.com" rel="nofollow - CJ2A Data site http://www.nulltime.com/jeep" rel="nofollow - 2A #16279 |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: 25 Nov. 2006 at 12:01pm
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I think I've solved the riddle of the no-backstop windshield frames: Early frames w/MB style adjusters don't have them. They are not needed as the windshield adjusters themselves provide a positive stop. Lollipop adjusters don't have a built-in stop, so the backstop brackets were added to the lower frame tube. The parts lists don't reflect this change, since the backstop brackets were not available separately, only as part of the outer frame. Takes us back to 3 styles. Sean ------------- http://www.CJ-2A.com" rel="nofollow - CJ2A Data site http://www.nulltime.com/jeep" rel="nofollow - 2A #16279 |
Posted By: GaryArf
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 2:15pm
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I have another windshield question. While at the Chrysler Museum looking over #26 I noticed a small tab on the drivers side outer windshild hinge. I looked at my early one and it is the same way. Looking at my later style windshields I find they are missing or maybey broke off?...I see on Seans link here that the one shown is missing as well?
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------------- CJ2A #10021 #34692 #58500 |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 2:34pm
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Gary: That tab holds the inner frame centered in the outer frame, once the hinge halves are mated. The tab fits the notch in the inner frame hinge half. They are normally bent inwards a bit, preventing the inner frame from shifting left-right, and have to be bent out again in order to slide the inner frame out. I can see where they might break off during disassembly. Sean PS, did you get lots of photos of the "Chrysler" '45? I find myself picking it apart already, with just the corner of the W/S frame showing.  I thought with all their money they would have done better.------------- http://www.CJ-2A.com" rel="nofollow - CJ2A Data site http://www.nulltime.com/jeep" rel="nofollow - 2A #16279 |
Posted By: GaryArf
Date Posted: 28 May 2007 at 10:37pm
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Thanks Sean, you amaze me with your knowledge. makes sense to me. I can even see the cut out in the inner frame from my pics.....
I will note however that the early frames had this on both ends of the windshield and the other two did not??....?????.... maybe this dug up something after all? ------------- CJ2A #10021 #34692 #58500 |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: 29 May 2007 at 12:06am
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#16279 (intermediate windshield) has tabs on both ends of outer frame. Oddly, the inner frame has only 1 notch (on the drivers side), so the passenger side tab is useless. Sean ------------- http://www.CJ-2A.com" rel="nofollow - CJ2A Data site http://www.nulltime.com/jeep" rel="nofollow - 2A #16279 |
Posted By: 2many
Date Posted: 02 Jan. 2009 at 8:57pm
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http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=9295&PN=1 - http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=9295&PN=1 Sean, I don't know if any further results have come about, but I can confirm this post (#17463) did have the lollipop style with square windshield arm nuts. Sadly, the front panel was completely rusted out so I cannot confirm the bow retainer plates. I'm restoring #17831 (without original windshield Scott
------------- Too many 2A's - ask my wife '45 CJ2A (10231) in progress '57 FC-150 '74 CJ 6 |
) and trying to verify it's intended configuration. Any ideas? Posted By: 2many
Date Posted: 02 Jan. 2009 at 9:09pm
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Ha! Just noticed your Quick Reference guide and my question has been answered. Nice work and sorry 'bout that! Now I just need to find one of those buggers - any ideas on that?! Thanks again. Scott ------------- Too many 2A's - ask my wife '45 CJ2A (10231) in progress '57 FC-150 '74 CJ 6 |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: 03 Jan. 2009 at 2:21pm
Scott:
Vehicle # 19xxx has early style lollipops (square nut), but later style frame (w/center locking latch & round washers). It's probable now, that there wasn't a sharp division between component assemblies, but some intermingling of early/late lollipops & frames. Sean ------------- http://www.CJ-2A.com" rel="nofollow - CJ2A Data site http://www.nulltime.com/jeep" rel="nofollow - 2A #16279 |
Ha! Just noticed your Quick Reference guide and my question has been answered