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Topic: Hudson Steering setup
Posted By: Lemield
Subject: Hudson Steering setup
Date Posted: 08 Apr. 2015 at 4:15pm
I am looking for a complete Hudson steering setup for my 1949 CJ2A. I know it's a longshot but if one of the members is doing a restoration on a Jeep with the conversion, perhaps they might like to sell it and go back to the OE steering. Please PM me if you can help.
 
Thanks in advance


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Larry

1949 CJ2A "Little Stinky Green" Kubota Diesel Powered
1970 Chevy C20 454 "Big Red"
1971 Chevy K20 6.2 Diesel "Pumpkin Wagon"
2001 Mercedes CLK320
2003 Cadillac Seville



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Posted By: 52 M38
Date Posted: 09 Apr. 2015 at 12:06am
Ok, I am going to bite...what is a "Hudson steering set-up?"


Posted By: Joe DeYoung
Date Posted: 09 Apr. 2015 at 12:30am
Do you maybe mean a ross steering box and the rest of the links? If so, I have a complete set up available.

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Posted By: 52 M38
Date Posted: 09 Apr. 2015 at 12:35am
And the plot thickens.


Posted By: rocnroll
Date Posted: 09 Apr. 2015 at 2:23am
A common upgrade (back in the days before Saginaw) was to replace the jeep Ross box with one out of a Hudson car. Not sure which one, don't know that I've ever heard.....maybe Hornet ( maybe not)

Supposed to have been a little quicker ratio and was still a Ross style box (possibly made by Ross also....don't know)

Was a common upgrade evidently for a little quicker box for vehicles with frame mounted steering boxes as some of the older, traditional style hot rodders use them too as a 'period ' upgrade.





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Posted By: Lee MN
Date Posted: 09 Apr. 2015 at 3:45am
Originally posted by rocnroll rocnroll wrote:

A common upgrade (back in the days before Saginaw) was to replace the jeep Ross box with one out of a Hudson car. Not sure which one, don't know that I've ever heard.....maybe Hornet ( maybe not)

Supposed to have been a little quicker ratio and was still a Ross style box (possibly made by Ross also....don't know)

Was a common upgrade evidently for a little quicker box for vehicles with frame mounted steering boxes as some of the older, traditional style hot rodders use them too as a 'period ' upgrade.





Thank you Sir, for the Info

Lee

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Posted By: rocnroll
Date Posted: 09 Apr. 2015 at 4:08am
Big smileHere you go.......
 
        http://www.ewillys.com/2009/02/08/my-rebuild-power-steering/" rel="nofollow - http://www.ewillys.com/2009/02/08/my-rebuild-power-steering/
 
 
A good buddy of mine (RIP) had one in his '34 Ford and was forever talking about it being "the perfect cross between manual and power steering".


 


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'48 CJ2A Lefty

"Common sense is not that common"


Posted By: Lemield
Date Posted: 09 Apr. 2015 at 1:43pm
I am the Larry that the Ewillys guy wrote about. I had a 1954 CJ3B that had a Hudson steering setup. It was excellent. Sure do miss that Jeep. One of the few vehicles I regret getting rid of.
 
My understanding of a Hudson Steering conversion is that it consists of a steering box from a 1951-1953 Hudson Hornet, the steering column and wheel and a modified draglink.  If I knew exactly how to do it, I could just source the parts but I do not. There was a Jeep fellow here in Denver (Don Sr. at Mile Hi Jeep)who knew pretty much everything about this sort of thing but he passed away a few years ago so that knowledge is lost.
 
I'm hoping that someone here might have a Jeep with the Hudson stuff swapped in and that they might be restoring theirs to original and might want to sell the Hudson stuff.
 
By the way, my stock steering with a tightsteer is very good right now. I just wanted the Hudson setup because it is a cool period conversion and I really liked the one I had in my 3B.


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Larry

1949 CJ2A "Little Stinky Green" Kubota Diesel Powered
1970 Chevy C20 454 "Big Red"
1971 Chevy K20 6.2 Diesel "Pumpkin Wagon"
2001 Mercedes CLK320
2003 Cadillac Seville


Posted By: WeeWilly
Date Posted: 09 Apr. 2015 at 5:17pm
  One of those might have been in my 2A when I got it, all I know is that it steered real easy and pulled nice with a tow bar.  I must have scrapped it after I changed it back to original because it isn't around here now.

   Jim


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Posted By: Mike S
Date Posted: 10 Apr. 2015 at 1:05am
I believe that the Hudson conversion was also considered more 'heavy duty' than the standard CJ2A/3A Ross box. Pretty cool, I think. Maybe you ought to drop an old Merc flathead V8 in, too...

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Posted By: rocnroll
Date Posted: 10 Apr. 2015 at 1:16am
I've heard of that being done....is there a kit for that? Wink


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'47 CJ2A PU
'48 CJ2A Lefty

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Posted By: Mike S
Date Posted: 10 Apr. 2015 at 1:28am
Originally posted by rocnroll rocnroll wrote:

I've heard of that being done....is there a kit for that? Wink

I am sure Novak has something… Merc flathead to Ford top loader??


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'47 CJ2A -- #114542
Warn FF D41 rear
Lock-Right locker
11" drum brakes
Dual master cylinder
T90C Transmission
16 X 6 Jeep truck wheels
Cooper STT Pro tires


Posted By: rocnroll
Date Posted: 10 Apr. 2015 at 1:38am
Naaa....C4
 
 
 
 


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'47 CJ2A PU
'48 CJ2A Lefty

"Common sense is not that common"


Posted By: Lemield
Date Posted: 17 Apr. 2015 at 4:06pm
I might be able to purchase all the parts I need from a local Hudson guy that I found. Will probably go see him this weekend to see if he has what I need.
If I am able to get the parts, I will start a new Hudson steering conversion thread in the Modifications from Original section when I do my conversion.
 
 


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Larry

1949 CJ2A "Little Stinky Green" Kubota Diesel Powered
1970 Chevy C20 454 "Big Red"
1971 Chevy K20 6.2 Diesel "Pumpkin Wagon"
2001 Mercedes CLK320
2003 Cadillac Seville


Posted By: Tourville
Date Posted: 09 July 2016 at 6:23pm


Any News on this HUDSON steering box swap ?

Putting my all original 1949 CJ3A on road in a few weeks
& the Original Ross Box needs to hit the shelf .


Posted By: flatfender47
Date Posted: 17 July 2016 at 2:53pm
It can't be just any old Hudson box.....
There are two types if I recall.
One that is mounted inside the frame and one that is mounted outside the frame.
If you flip it over, it turns the opposite way when you turn the wheel I've been told.
When I was about 6 years old, a fellow Jeep owner in our club did this swap. (as many did)
But he got the wrong box (told everyone how much cheaper it was)
The story was that when he went out the driveway the Jeep turned the wrong way.
Believe it... or not.


Posted By: Tourville
Date Posted: 17 July 2016 at 3:21pm

I'd read somewhere look for a 1951 - 1953 Hornet
and should include the Pitman Arm .

I would think the 1954 would be the same box as HUDSON
were not big on budgets .


Posted By: ahmichigan
Date Posted: 31 Mar. 2020 at 1:45am
Getting 2 Hudson steering boxes coming my way.
Excited to do the conversion. I will report back in a few weeks.
I’ll also take pictures as I go!



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Seating Capacity of a CJ-2a is 4 adults or 1 adult and 14 cub scouts. :) CJ-2A 1946 #22740


Posted By: jeepsterjim
Date Posted: 31 Mar. 2020 at 2:31am
Dad put the Hudson conversion in his 2A and it was a great improvement. Pre-Sag.   He used the box, column, and wheel.  Think he elongated a bolt hole on the box. It looked similar to  a beefy Ross box.   I saw one either on CL or FB market about 3 days ago.  It was a complete unit.   Even had 3 on the tree.  I like the Hudson str. wheel.  Do a internet search on hudson steering to Willys Jeep .



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Posted By: 48cj2a
Date Posted: 31 Mar. 2020 at 9:35am
http://www.ewillys.com/2019/05/09/hudson-steering-mod-pics/" rel="nofollow - http://www.ewillys.com/2019/05/09/hudson-steering-mod-pics/






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Posted By: Lemield
Date Posted: 31 Mar. 2020 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by ahmichigan ahmichigan wrote:

Getting 2 Hudson steering boxes coming my way.
Excited to do the conversion. I will report back in a few weeks.
I’ll also take pictures as I go!

 
Yes..please do. I would be very interested in seeing the pictures! :)


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Larry

1949 CJ2A "Little Stinky Green" Kubota Diesel Powered
1970 Chevy C20 454 "Big Red"
1971 Chevy K20 6.2 Diesel "Pumpkin Wagon"
2001 Mercedes CLK320
2003 Cadillac Seville


Posted By: ahmichigan
Date Posted: 05 Apr. 2020 at 10:17pm


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Seating Capacity of a CJ-2a is 4 adults or 1 adult and 14 cub scouts. :) CJ-2A 1946 #22740


Posted By: ahmichigan
Date Posted: 05 Apr. 2020 at 10:20pm


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Seating Capacity of a CJ-2a is 4 adults or 1 adult and 14 cub scouts. :) CJ-2A 1946 #22740


Posted By: ahmichigan
Date Posted: 05 Apr. 2020 at 10:22pm



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Seating Capacity of a CJ-2a is 4 adults or 1 adult and 14 cub scouts. :) CJ-2A 1946 #22740


Posted By: ahmichigan
Date Posted: 05 Apr. 2020 at 10:49pm
So here is some fresh information on the Hudson Steering Box conversion.  The Hudson box is larger, and seems to be much smoother operating.  The regular Ross is 3 turns lock to lock.
And the Hudson Box is 6 turns lock to lock.  I used the original pitman arm from the Hudson, and it was 7” instead or the 5” original. This makes the ratio a bit less than half of the original.
The Hudson pitman arm ball end is also larger than the original willys, so I needed to weld the drag link end of the Hudson to the willys drag link. Another thing learned is you can just bolt the bracket to the frame, because if you do the column will not match the hole in your tub.  I needed to make a bracket to offset the box 2.5” inside the frame.  Some fab and welding needed.  
Just took the old girl off road and it was awesome in the sand and mud, and much easier to steer. Also less feedback on your thumbs, but still some to let you know you are still driving a 75 year old Jeep.  On the road it was much less squirly, and you can steer with 2 fingers.  On other thing, you would need to weld you steering wheel spine to the Hussein steering column to keep you steering g wheel, but the shaft diameters are the same, so it is fairly easy.
I would only recommend this if you are comfortable mig and tig welding well!! Steering components are no joke as you all know.
I am very pleased, and would say it keeps the “feel” but somehow feels like it has power assist.


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Seating Capacity of a CJ-2a is 4 adults or 1 adult and 14 cub scouts. :) CJ-2A 1946 #22740


Posted By: Lemield
Date Posted: 06 Apr. 2020 at 1:52pm
That looks really good! Could you possibly post some pictures of the pitman arm and the drag link?
 
Thanks!


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Larry

1949 CJ2A "Little Stinky Green" Kubota Diesel Powered
1970 Chevy C20 454 "Big Red"
1971 Chevy K20 6.2 Diesel "Pumpkin Wagon"
2001 Mercedes CLK320
2003 Cadillac Seville


Posted By: ahmichigan
Date Posted: 06 Apr. 2020 at 2:50pm


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Seating Capacity of a CJ-2a is 4 adults or 1 adult and 14 cub scouts. :) CJ-2A 1946 #22740


Posted By: ahmichigan
Date Posted: 06 Apr. 2020 at 2:55pm


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Seating Capacity of a CJ-2a is 4 adults or 1 adult and 14 cub scouts. :) CJ-2A 1946 #22740


Posted By: ahmichigan
Date Posted: 06 Apr. 2020 at 3:00pm
I can send some measurements if needed,
But on the pitman arm it is actually closer to the block than the original, but with a longer arm.
I have my Buick v6 shifted to the passenger side about an inch so it worked.  L-4 usually is smaller be shifter to the driver side so it should be checked.  Happy to help if someone is serious about this.



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Seating Capacity of a CJ-2a is 4 adults or 1 adult and 14 cub scouts. :) CJ-2A 1946 #22740


Posted By: ahmichigan
Date Posted: 06 Apr. 2020 at 3:01pm
You can see how different the steering column shaft output is from the original compared to the bracket face.  @2.5” difference.

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Seating Capacity of a CJ-2a is 4 adults or 1 adult and 14 cub scouts. :) CJ-2A 1946 #22740


Posted By: Lemield
Date Posted: 06 Apr. 2020 at 8:49pm
Thanks for the pics! Smile

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Larry

1949 CJ2A "Little Stinky Green" Kubota Diesel Powered
1970 Chevy C20 454 "Big Red"
1971 Chevy K20 6.2 Diesel "Pumpkin Wagon"
2001 Mercedes CLK320
2003 Cadillac Seville



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