I got new shoes! 34x9x16
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Topic: I got new shoes! 34x9x16
Posted By: Rick G
Subject: I got new shoes! 34x9x16
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 7:53am
Been a long time coming, but here are my new jeep sneakers.     They are the narrow super swampers TSLs in 34/9-16LT. Been dreaming of these for a long time. Had to find the right wheel to put them on, tho. These are original KH 16x4.5 wheels. Didn't know if the narrow SS TSLs would fit these narrow wheels, but thanks to a conversation with TinBadge about his same tires and wheels (although I think his are 32x9.5 x16), I went for it and am very happy. Thanks Tin Badge! Still love the look of your jeep! Here's some comparison to my old 33 x 12.50 x 15.  Kind of an optical illusion, but the TSLs are actually 1.75" taller than the 33" here.   I'll post a YouTube link with my new shoes in action later.  ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
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Posted By: jpet
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 9:35am
Much better  . IMO those are the ultimate skinny tire. The absolute maximum size you can go before you have to cut the tub. Can't wait to see them in person. ------------- CJ2A #29110 "General Willys" MB #204827 "BAM BAM" "We do what we can, and we try what we can't" |
Posted By: jpet
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 9:36am
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how much belly clearance do you have? ------------- CJ2A #29110 "General Willys" MB #204827 "BAM BAM" "We do what we can, and we try what we can't" |
Posted By: Lee MN
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 2:21pm
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That looks Sweeeeeet!, very nice! I mounted a 9.00x16 ND on a oe 4.5"x16 rim but have not mounted it yet. Did you go tubeless ?, if no what tube did you use ?. Lee  ------------- LEE 44 GPW-The Perfected Willys 49 2A “If you wait, you only get older” 67 M715 American Made Rolling History |
Posted By: minnow1193
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 2:54pm
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Awesome! That's the exact setup I want to run on mine. I found a pair of 16x5 rims off a pickup. Still need 3 more. Where did you get the tires and how much?
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Posted By: smfulle
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 3:01pm
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rick, I watched your video. Those tires look great. How much air did you have on those climbs? Tires looked a little hard. Drop those babies down to about 10 psi and watch how they grip onto those rocks. Se ya soon. ------------- Stan 48 CJ2A (Grampa's Jeep) 59 Chevy 1/2 ton https://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/grampas-cj2a_topic16836.html" rel="nofollow - Grampa's Jeep Build Thread |
Posted By: wheelie
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 3:59pm
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Looks great. Like your JEEP. I run 33 x 9.50 x 15 BFG Mud Terrains on my cj5. The old design. I still like them. Not crazy about the new BFGs. The whole modern sidewall design thing isn't for me. I'd like to go with 10.50s on the cj5 but, I think the 9-9.50 fits better/looks better on a flattie. Can't wait to see the video.
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Posted By: rocnroll
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 4:15pm
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Looks great!......Words to the wise, Swampers don't like pavement-Keep them rotated, they don't wear real well. ------------- '47 CJ2A PU '48 CJ2A Lefty "Common sense is not that common" |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 4:24pm
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Here's the video. Stan, I was running 10 psi in three tires and 8 psi in the other one. These tires are so stout that they don't bulge when aired down. ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: RICKG
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 4:55pm
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Nothing beats a new set of skids! I noticed at the beginning of the vid you had the new toy hauler at the trailhead.. You Likey?? ------------- I never met a mule I didn't like! MC51986 "OD MULE" DOD 01-52 '50 CJ3A "Bucksnort". Keep 'em Rollin' |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 5:08pm
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I agree Jeff, these are the ultimate skinny tire. And yes, any larger and you would have to cut
the tub. They rub and scrub a little but
so did my 33s. I have 11" clearance
on my front diff and 10" on my rear diff.
I have 16" to my tc crossmember and a full 20" to the bottom
of my frame rail.
Lee, Yes, I went tubeless. This is a concern that isn't totally field proven yet. Since these are tube-type wheels, I don't know how hard I can wheel them in tubeless tires and not pop beads. I didn't have any trouble yet, but time will tell. If I do start popping beads, I'll just weld some safety humps in the wheels. Minnow, availability of these tires was a PROBLEM! All the major internet sources have them listed and say "in stock", but they don't. I called ALL of them and they didn't have any; said they just order from the factory. I called the factory in Louisiana and they said they had 2. AND, there was no production date scheduled for any more.Stern Smile I found several vendors on Amazon and finally found some at National Tire and Wheel. I called them to confirm and they had 8 in stock. I bought 5 of them. National Tire and Wheel was a little higher priced than the rest of the internet world, but I guess you can advertise them at rock bottom prices if you don't have any and aren't going to get any. I paid $245 each with free shipping. Wheelie, I don't like the sidewall looks much either. I turned what is supposed to be the outside, in. I think it looks more period correct than all the modern font and flare of the sidewall that is on it now. Roc, these won't see much pavement action.
Just a ride here and there to get a coke or snowcone, maybe a trip to
pickup groceries. I will say they ride
MUCH better than my 33x12.5's ever did!
It is sooo smooth now, no death wobble either. It's almost like having power steering ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 5:09pm
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Yeah, Muley, I like the new toy hauler. I'm still working on it, but it's functional. ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: otto
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 7:49pm
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The video was great, thanks for the post. I run the 32x9.50x15 swampers, how is your turning circle? ------------- 47 CJ2A w/fuel injected boat engine 48 CJ2A 64 Ford Econoline Travelwagon If you can't get there in a Jeep, get a motorcycle! |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 22 July 2017 at 8:42pm
turning radius is a little better than with the 33x12.5's. I haven't actually measured it tho. That's in 2wd, in 4WD it doesn't turn  ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: jpet
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 1:40am
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Cool video and thanks for sharing. Hope you don't mind me saying, but your suspension is scaring me a little. Are you're shocks limiting your travel maybe? I bet if you had more flexibility, the jeep would be unstoppable! .... still need a name too ------------- CJ2A #29110 "General Willys" MB #204827 "BAM BAM" "We do what we can, and we try what we can't" |
Posted By: Doug Timme
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 2:11am
That is a little personal, don't ya think?
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jpet wrote:Posted By: wheelie
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 2:29am
| That's a fun video. Thanks. Like the 4 wheel discs. |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 5:32am
I've always known my suspension is way too stiff. The shocks aren't limiting my travel, it's the springs. Each leaf is 1/4" thick and almost unbendable by the little lightweight Willys. I spent some time at 74 year old blacksmith, leaf spring maker this week for this issue. I figured I better not hit the Rubicon with 2 half leaf spring wedges.   So I installed 2 new ones   Anyway, I took him my spring and asked him what could be done. He said he would start by removing the 2nd spring followed by the 4th spring and then maybe the last one. He said those leafs are way to thick for my Jeep. So when I return, I'm going to pull some leafs and see how much it helps. But, if I get all that flex by removing leafs, then I won't get any good undercarriage shots.  It will just be another one of those rigs that make everything look so easy, ho hum  And, yes, Jeff, I have a name in mind. I'll reveal on the trail ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 6:48am
hey Stan, here's the low -down on the tire pressure. Low-down, get it? LOL  Anyway...   When I let all the air out, I was able to push the tire off the wheel seat with my knee. It would be pretty easy to pop the bead without air, so I guess I'll have to run them with SOME air in them. When I get back home from the Rubicon, I'll do some experimenting here on the home trails to see just how low I can go. I like a nice soft tire with a little bulge to it, but these are going to need a little breaking in time before that happens (if they ever do get softer).
------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: jpet
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 8:26am
 ------------- CJ2A #29110 "General Willys" MB #204827 "BAM BAM" "We do what we can, and we try what we can't" |
Posted By: NCtoy
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 6:00pm
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Great looking jeep. I love swampers and always thought they were the best performing off road tire you can get. If you can get them to stay on the beads the sidewalks should break in and get a little more flexible. Is there a build thread on this jeep? Would like to know the specs. What type and height of suspension is this?
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Posted By: berettajeep
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 6:13pm
Looks so much better!  ------------- Dennis http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/my-47_topic21227.html" rel="nofollow - '47 CJ2A 101823 http://www.fsjnetwork.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4942" rel="nofollow - '74 Cherokee |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 9:19pm
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Thanks for the compliments. I think it looks so much better, too. I'm sure hoping these tire sidewalls get a little softer as I use them. NCtoy, I don't have a build thread on this jeep....yet. I will try to post one after this jeeping summer. I have all the pictures, just haven't taken the time to post it yet. Kinda would like the picture posting/hosting issue to be a little easier before I do it also because I have a ton of pictures, but nonetheless I will get one together soon. Here's the highlights: L134 T90A Dana 18 TC Dana 25 front (lock right) Dana 41 rear, converted to full floater with D44 31/19 splined axles, mini-spool Black Diamond 3.5" springs with Daystar 1/2" shackles (I probably wouldn't go this high again, plus too stiff) Custom steering shaft and linkage to a Saginaw power steering box (not powered currently, running it manually) 4 wheel GM discs with late model CJ rotors Warn locking hubs all around 12V Petronix-type electronic ignition (distributor) Anyway, I think that's the highlights. ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: ElijahN
Date Posted: 28 July 2017 at 11:37am
Those are some nice wheels Rick! |
Posted By: Flatfender Ben
Date Posted: 28 July 2017 at 1:20pm
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wow total a changed the look of the jeep! Very awesome I like the more period correct look. What a great looking flatfender! Best tire demo video ever. Thanks for sharing
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Posted By: Tin Badge
Date Posted: 01 Aug. 2017 at 6:49pm
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WOW! That is incredible! Love it! ------------- Family Motto "If its not broken lets take it apart and lose some of the pieces and then it will be" |
Posted By: 1947-cj2a
Date Posted: 01 Aug. 2017 at 8:04pm
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It's like looking into a mirror! Hey it's my twin! Rich ------------- RICH 1947 cj2a (Toy From Hell) |
Posted By: 1947-cj2a
Date Posted: 01 Aug. 2017 at 10:42pm
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Those spacers, is that how you get rid of the willys lean? ------------- RICH 1947 cj2a (Toy From Hell) |
Posted By: masscj2a
Date Posted: 02 Aug. 2017 at 10:20am
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Love the new tires Rick. I'm thinking of putting the same size on my early cj5. ------------- 1946 CJ2a Dauntless aka Jalopy 1946 VEC stock 1981 CJ-8 5.3 LS 1966 CJ-6 SBC TUX 1968 CJ-6 225 V6 1974 CJ-6 4.2 1967 M-416 East Coast Modified CJ's |
Posted By: jeeper50
Date Posted: 02 Aug. 2017 at 12:18pm
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Can't wait to see how spring leaf removal helps the stiff suspension. Are those gas shocks? ------------- Belleview ol skool winch soon. '48 CJ2A 283 V8 sm 420 granny low, tera low D18, overdrive,lockers Texan at heart,Alabama by retirement |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 06 Aug. 2017 at 6:24am
Rich, not sure to which spacers you are referring. The wedges are to reduce the driveline angle because of the spring lift (and I broke one on the Rubicon Trail last week...ugghh!) and the wheel spacers are so the original wheels will clear the big GM disc brake calipers. And no, neither one helps the Willys lean...lol. Yep, the two jeeps do look a lot alike! Jeeper, as far as I know the shocks are just plain gas shocks. Don't know that much about them. They came as a package deal with the springs from Black Diamond. ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: Lee MN
Date Posted: 09 Aug. 2017 at 12:02pm
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Rick, what's the "After Action" report on the tires after the Rubicon! ?......... Did the soften up any ? Lee ------------- LEE 44 GPW-The Perfected Willys 49 2A “If you wait, you only get older” 67 M715 American Made Rolling History |
Posted By: ricco
Date Posted: 09 Aug. 2017 at 8:58pm
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Hey Rick, just finished watching the vid's you posted of day 3. I'll say again what I said during the trail ride...I think those tires made a huge difference! The grip they had on those dusty rocks was impressive, especially compared to the old tires Gus used to wear. ------------- She can dance a cajun rhythm....jump like a Willy's in four wheel drive...("Sugar Magnolia") '48 CJ2A #204845 "Lumpy" |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 09 Aug. 2017 at 9:00pm
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Lee, they didn't really soften up much, maybe just a tiny bit. Evaluation of the tire thus far? It may be a little too soon to tell. I only have about 50 miles on them (12 mi of that was on the Rubicon trip). I can say that I do like them better, but I don't know if they perform better at the current 10 psi mark. You can watch how they performed on the Rubicon here on this thread: https://thecj2apage.com/forums/vintage-willys-the-rubicon-trail-2017_topic38398.html" rel="nofollow - https://thecj2apage.com/forums/vintage-willys-the-rubicon-trail-2017_topic38398.html They are just unbelievably stiff. I'm still hoping they will soften a little over time. (Keith, I'd like to hear the tire engineer perspective on tires softening over time). They are much easier to steer. They have trememdous bite with those huge lugs and would be perfect if they wrapped around rocks a little more. All in all, I like them and would probably buy them again. Stay tuned, because I am going to experiment with much lower tire pressure in the coming weeks (first have to fix some broken stuff from the Rubicon trip) and probably try them in some mud (yuck!). I am expecting to possibly pop beads, but at least I'll know at what pressure I can run them and maybe improve grip. ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: Lee MN
Date Posted: 10 Aug. 2017 at 12:46am
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Interesting!, the problem with a tire this size is the vehicles they were intended for are typically 5K or heavier, jpet and I discussed this last year, my M715 runs 9.00x16 ND's, I aired the front passenger tire down to 8-10 psi before it squatted, this rig weighs around 5500 lbs. I also mounted a near worn out Denman 9.00 x 16 nd on a standard Jeep wheel for compairison, but have yet to mount it on a Jeep!. One thing to consider, a HD Willys truck Rim is a 1/2" wider than a standard Jeep rim and has beadlocks, if you have trouble that could possibly help. Finding a set not rusted out, at least here up north is a problem more so if clean bead surface is needed for running tubeless.. I very much like your tires and they make your Jeep look great!, I may concider these for my mod project if it "ever" gets finished, LOL. Lee ------------- LEE 44 GPW-The Perfected Willys 49 2A “If you wait, you only get older” 67 M715 American Made Rolling History |
Posted By: jpet
Date Posted: 10 Aug. 2017 at 1:04am
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Rick, Did you air down in Texas or in California? ... and did you check your pressure on the trail? I aired down to 10-11 psi in Illinois. (altitude 600') When I checked them on the Rubicon trail, they were 15 psi. The tires did look a little stiff in the videos but I watched your tires enveloping the sharper rocks. ------------- CJ2A #29110 "General Willys" MB #204827 "BAM BAM" "We do what we can, and we try what we can't" |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 10 Aug. 2017 at 1:43am
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Lee, the narrow 32" TSL might be a better "all-around" tire for these Willys. Mine are the 34" and certainly require lots of lift. I don't know that that much tire is necessary. After watching the guys on the Rubicon with their 28-31" tires, I might be hard pressed to not go with the 32". I don't know that they would be any softer, but they would definitely fit better in the fender well. I did want the wider wheels, but these 4.5" wheels were all I could find. Only time on the trail with them aired way down will tell if I need to weld in a bead lock/hump or not. Jeff, I aired down at the trailhead; 10 psi. I wanted to go lower, but was afraid to because they were untested below 10 psi. My biggest issue/drawback/disadvantage with this jeep is the rigid, rock solid suspension. It gives less than these tires do. I'm going to be removing some leafs and experimenting to see if this helps. I think with softer suspension I might not even notice these hard tires. Doesn't matter what kind of tire you have if it isn't touching the ground. ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: rocnroll
Date Posted: 10 Aug. 2017 at 3:47am
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I really liked the 32inch Swampers on my other 2A....they were on 7inch wheels. Got lots of comments on them in '97-'98.....I don't think they were real common on the Rubicon then. ------------- '47 CJ2A PU '48 CJ2A Lefty "Common sense is not that common" |
Posted By: otto
Date Posted: 10 Aug. 2017 at 2:54pm
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My biggest issue/drawback/disadvantage with this jeep is the rigid, rock solid suspension. It gives less than these tires do. I'm going to be removing some leafs and experimenting to see if this helps. I think with softer suspension I might not even notice these hard tires. Doesn't matter what kind of tire you have if it isn't touching the ground. [/QUOTE]
I also tried some re-shuffling of leaves in my jeep as each leaf in the spring pack was like 3/8" and the springs were not compliant. I also tried some plastic liners between the leaves to reduce friction; it's better but not what I'd like. From watching the videos, it seemed like if your jeep had more flexibility it could have idled through the Rubicon without breaking a sweat, very impressive! I did notice in your earlier video that the tub was flexing quite a bit and working on a stress crack on the passenger side opening. ------------- 47 CJ2A w/fuel injected boat engine 48 CJ2A 64 Ford Econoline Travelwagon If you can't get there in a Jeep, get a motorcycle! |
Posted By: Mike S
Date Posted: 10 Aug. 2017 at 8:03pm
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Rick -- do you have full turning radius? On my CJ2A the 205/85/R16 tires (a little over 32" tall) ALMOST rub the frame. In fact, I ordered a set of wheel spacers but did not need to use them. Mike ------------- '47 CJ2A -- #114542 Warn FF D41 rear Lock-Right locker 11" drum brakes Dual master cylinder T90C Transmission 16 X 6 Jeep truck wheels Cooper STT Pro tires |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 11 Aug. 2017 at 3:39am
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Mike, I have a better turning radius than I did with the 33X12.50's, but I don't know if it is near original or not. I never notice the turning radius driving around town, it's only on the trails where I notice it. I notice it on the trails because it doesn't turn worth a hoot because of the front locker. I usually have to make at least a 3 point turn or sometimes take it out of 4WD altogether just to make a tight turn. ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: Mike S
Date Posted: 11 Aug. 2017 at 5:43pm
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Thanks, Rick. I figured they might be problematic on tight trails. ------------- '47 CJ2A -- #114542 Warn FF D41 rear Lock-Right locker 11" drum brakes Dual master cylinder T90C Transmission 16 X 6 Jeep truck wheels Cooper STT Pro tires |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 12 Aug. 2017 at 5:39am
Yeah, I noticed that in the video also. I didn't realize how much stress that crack area gets. With all that flexing and the fact that my wife cut her foot on it, I'm going to put a small piece of angle across it and bolt or rivet it on for the short term fix. I don't want to weld it now because it will just burn all the paint off and it won't look so good, plus I think the angle brace will work better anyway. ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: Den
Date Posted: 19 Aug. 2017 at 7:27pm
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Rubicon... Awesome! Watching the videos has given me flatty fever again. I had to sell my 3 before leaving Illinois, none ran but was going to pull the best parts to make 1 runner... Anyhow... On getting the tires to flex, I had the bigger brother to them, Q78's on a TJ, all set up on beadlocks for a Moab trip... At the end of the first day I was at 0psi trying to get them to flex, with beadlocks was able to pull this off, highway driving was interesting though. When turning the long sweeping corner back into Moab it took what felt like forever for the tires to catch up to the angle of the wheels... fun! After 3 days of wheeling came out of hotel 4th morning and tires finally had a nice bulge in them. Aired up to 5psi for rest of the week. Problem was that they were still having issues enveloping around rocks and not not hooking up very well. Back home pondered the issue thinking about my next trip out west, I liked the tall narrow look and had a fortune in them with the beadlocks, new shoes were not in the budget. Was watching a monster truck show and they were showing how they cut the tires for competition. Did some research on Pirate and found a few modifying their swampers. So I bought a tire grooving iron and cut a 3/16" groove across the center lugs. I used the wear indicators as a depth gauge and went about an 1/8" shy of that. Then modified the 1/4" blade to sipe the tires about 1/4" deep, didn't want the chunking I saw in some of the pictures. Took about 2 hours to do all 4. Next trip to Moab was night and day. At 8psi I wasn't losing ground clearance but they wrapping around obstacles nicely and hooking up like glue... Your flatty is sweet, that is goal I will be aiming for once I get better financials... Dennis |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 20 Aug. 2017 at 4:01am
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Den, I will keep that in mind if they don't soften up and break in for me. Do you have any pics of what the final siping on your tires looked like? ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: Den
Date Posted: 20 Aug. 2017 at 6:19pm
 Unfortunately you can't see the siping but can see the cuts across the tread blocks. Lost a bunch of pics during the divorce...  Den |
Posted By: Doodledad
Date Posted: 04 Sep. 2017 at 12:11am
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good vid! Love seeing flattys pushed and challanged. I do like the new tires however for rocks a wider fatter meat aired down 10psi or under would out perform the pizza cutters. ------------- 46 2A 29938 (unrestored driver) 51 3A "Wilma" 55 3B Fountain 47 2A Yard Art 97 XJ “Lafaunduh” 00 TJ RockCrawler "Hooker" 13 Rubicon JKU "Alice" 48 C2A Eileen 00 TJ frame off resto “Stacy” |
Posted By: Unkamonkey
Date Posted: 04 Sep. 2017 at 2:37am
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Yeah, The trails we like to go on out in UT were not created by the JKURs. Old flattys do their job well. You have to give an salute out for the old guys that were out stomping around in the rocks to find the best places to drive. ------------- uncamonkey |
Posted By: oldtime
Date Posted: 26 Sep. 2017 at 4:47pm
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Say Rick whats the actual tire height or diameter when fully inflated ? Maybe 33-1/4" or ???? ------------- Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . T98-A Rock Crawler using exclusive factory parts and Approved Special Equipment from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) Zero aftermarket parts |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 26 Sep. 2017 at 10:53pm
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Ken, on pavement and fully inflated they are 33 3/4". ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: oldtime
Date Posted: 27 Sep. 2017 at 12:48am
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Thanks Gary, I'm rather surprised they are that tall. You having any rubbing issues on and around the rear wheel house ? Also wonder what was your tire pressure at Chinamans Gultch this year ? Down to 5 PSI ? Sure wish we had better 7.50 x 16" Jeep tire selection here in the U.S. ------------- Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . T98-A Rock Crawler using exclusive factory parts and Approved Special Equipment from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) Zero aftermarket parts |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 27 Sep. 2017 at 2:20pm
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yes, I have some rubbing in the rear, but not too bad. On Chinaman Gultch this year, I was running 5-6 psi. I popped two beads, so I'm probably going to try to stay around 10 psi. Knowing the struggles I had on the pavement (taller tires=taller gears) at the FCT, I would probably recommend nothing larger than a 32" tire unless you have different gearing/motor. I'm stock motor and gearing and I really struggled to maintain any speeds above 30 mph. ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: oldtime
Date Posted: 27 Sep. 2017 at 3:58pm
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Yeah your tires are 20% over standard diameter and tire weight makes a huge difference. Back in the early 80's I came across a set of 35" tall Ground Hawgs, Could not get my stock 2A to run faster than 40 at WOT. If you install lower gears your rig will be unstopable..... Ha Ha Ha ! I inspected my wheel houses again today and these should be near ideal on a basically stock Willys.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-Tires-P78-16-Buckshot-Wide-Mudder-Grip-Spur-33-10-50-Mud-Bogger-P78X16C-/232503327135?hash=item362247399f:g:7CgAAOSwhrFZy7ND&vxp=mtr" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-Tires-P78-16-Buckshot-Wide-Mudder-Grip-Spur-33-10-50-Mud-Bogger-P78X16C-/232503327135?hash=item362247399f:g:7CgAAOSwhrFZy7ND&vxp=mtr But I really wish I could find a set of Simex Jungle Trekkers.
------------- Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . T98-A Rock Crawler using exclusive factory parts and Approved Special Equipment from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) Zero aftermarket parts |
Posted By: Willy M
Date Posted: 27 Sep. 2017 at 5:17pm
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I ran Buckshot Mudders on my ol CJ5 years ago. Great tires in the mud. Just don't stop on dry sand. The CJ5 got the new name "Ditch Witch" that day. ------------- |
Posted By: oldtime
Date Posted: 28 Sep. 2017 at 1:13am
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Yeah Ditch Witch that about fits... That's certainly a good thought but we don't have a lot of soft sand here in the Ozarks. I remember back after the Great Flood of 93 we had huge mounds of river sand to play in for a few years. ------------- Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . T98-A Rock Crawler using exclusive factory parts and Approved Special Equipment from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) Zero aftermarket parts |
Posted By: Willy M
Date Posted: 29 Sep. 2017 at 2:40am
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I lived on a sand hill in SW Arkansas at the time and stuck it in the soft sand of the front yard. ------------- |
Posted By: JeepN95YJ
Date Posted: 31 Jan. 2019 at 5:46pm
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Rick, Do you have an update on the tires now that you have a few seasons on them? They look like they might be flexing better in your videos. Also have you decided on a tire pressure? Thanks for posting here and on youtube. Jerry
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Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 01 Feb. 2019 at 5:00am
Jerry, no real updates on the tires, just what’s been in the videos. They have softened up a little bit, but that’s not saying a whole lot. They are still very stiff, just the nature of these tires on a lightweight Willys. Perhaps the same tire diameter with 15” wheels instead of 16” wheels might give a slightly better bulge, but I’m speculating on that. I’ve settled on 10-12 psi; anything lower than that and they are susceptible to popping beads. I’d like to run them around 6 psi. I’m going to be trying some things in the future to run with lower pressure, e.g. gluing the bead, maybe tubes, wrapping the wheel bead with gorilla tape, etc. Having said all that, I do really like these tires. They function pretty good, but mostly, I think they look good.😁👍🏻. ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: GrandpasOld50
Date Posted: 23 Apr. 2019 at 7:22pm
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Rick, I love the look of you jeep with your new shoes. How much lift does your jeep have to clear those tires? ------------- '50 3a with f-head motor |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 24 Apr. 2019 at 9:40pm
I have 3.5” of spring lift and 1/2” of shackle lift. ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: masscj2a
Date Posted: 15 May 2019 at 11:42am
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Rick, I was thinking about the same tire for mine. I'm still trying to decide if I want to keep the YJ springs or not. Have a set of non military wrapped springs I have gotten from a early CJ5, but not sure on the lift yet. Its tuff to find that just right set of tires for these old Jeeps. I also hear swampers have a new skinny tire, maybe a radial, but not positive, will have to check. I love the look of your Jeep and its one of my favorites in the video's. ------------- 1946 CJ2a Dauntless aka Jalopy 1946 VEC stock 1981 CJ-8 5.3 LS 1966 CJ-6 SBC TUX 1968 CJ-6 225 V6 1974 CJ-6 4.2 1967 M-416 East Coast Modified CJ's |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 3:20pm
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Thx, Mark! You’re right, finding just the right tire can be a challenge. Good luck and keep up posted on your project.
------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: Gaffer
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 7:02pm
New tire options? I had to look. Super Swamper 33x9.50-15 Tire SX2-45 ------------- -Gaffer |
Posted By: masscj2a
Date Posted: 14 July 2019 at 3:41pm
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Now I see BFG has a new 750/16 tire. I'm running a stock F head in my new 1953 CJ3b and wondering if these would be better. I have zero lift right now with stock springs. Thinking of soft ride springs later with 5/8 inch body lift. I'm running 31 inch Eldorado MTZ's right now, but one has a problem with wear and you can't buy new ones to replace the junk one. Plus, that's all you can hear when on the black top is that tire. Driving me crazier than I am now. The specs on the KM3 is 31.8 tall and fits on 5.5-7 inch rims. Right in my wheelhouse, sorta speaking.  ------------- 1946 CJ2a Dauntless aka Jalopy 1946 VEC stock 1981 CJ-8 5.3 LS 1966 CJ-6 SBC TUX 1968 CJ-6 225 V6 1974 CJ-6 4.2 1967 M-416 East Coast Modified CJ's |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 14 July 2019 at 7:46pm
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I never hear any tire whine on the highway. My Rockeater gears are too noisy to hear anything else. If you get a set of those new BFG’s, post them up, I like to see how they look and how they perform.
------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: masscj2a
Date Posted: 16 July 2019 at 11:34am
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4WD has them $25 off a tire right now. Might have to do it. Love the swampers, don't like the noise. Was hoping they would come out with a skinny radial. ------------- 1946 CJ2a Dauntless aka Jalopy 1946 VEC stock 1981 CJ-8 5.3 LS 1966 CJ-6 SBC TUX 1968 CJ-6 225 V6 1974 CJ-6 4.2 1967 M-416 East Coast Modified CJ's |
Posted By: bkwudz
Date Posted: 16 July 2019 at 4:07pm
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noise dosent bother me, whole jeep is loud... the initial flatspotting after sitting for a while is annoying, that at least goes away for the most part ------------- Paul F http://eastcoastwillys.proboards.com/forum" rel="nofollow - East Coast Willys Association https://www.facebook.com/groups/MPIFFC/" rel="nofollow - MASSACHUSETTS PATROL IFFC |
Posted By: masscj2a
Date Posted: 18 July 2019 at 2:06am
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yep, went ahead yesterday and ordered five new km3 tires from 4WD. Should be here by end of week. I have to find one more 16 inch KH rim. Will get some pics up as soon as they get mounted. ------------- 1946 CJ2a Dauntless aka Jalopy 1946 VEC stock 1981 CJ-8 5.3 LS 1966 CJ-6 SBC TUX 1968 CJ-6 225 V6 1974 CJ-6 4.2 1967 M-416 East Coast Modified CJ's |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 18 July 2019 at 4:37am
Looking forward to seeing them and hearing how they perform! ------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |
Posted By: masscj2a
Date Posted: 20 July 2019 at 5:06pm
Tires came in yesterday while I was painting the M416 project. Will get them mounted this coming week and let you know how I like them.    ------------- 1946 CJ2a Dauntless aka Jalopy 1946 VEC stock 1981 CJ-8 5.3 LS 1966 CJ-6 SBC TUX 1968 CJ-6 225 V6 1974 CJ-6 4.2 1967 M-416 East Coast Modified CJ's |
Posted By: 73 cj5
Date Posted: 20 July 2019 at 11:56pm
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Sweet 3B. ------------- CJ3B |
Posted By: Ol' Unreliable
Date Posted: 22 July 2019 at 12:13am
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The last pic is good. It allllmost makes it look like the tires are actually mounted. ------------- There's a reason it's called Ol' Unreliable |
Posted By: masscj2a
Date Posted: 23 July 2019 at 12:17am
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Thanks. I actually was trying to see what they looked like on there, crazy I know, but I'm a kid at heart. ------------- 1946 CJ2a Dauntless aka Jalopy 1946 VEC stock 1981 CJ-8 5.3 LS 1966 CJ-6 SBC TUX 1968 CJ-6 225 V6 1974 CJ-6 4.2 1967 M-416 East Coast Modified CJ's |
Posted By: Ol' Unreliable
Date Posted: 23 July 2019 at 2:29am
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Well, I had to look close to be sure. You got a perfect angle on the tires there. ------------- There's a reason it's called Ol' Unreliable |
Posted By: oldtime
Date Posted: 23 July 2019 at 3:26pm
 I agree... this is a real neat little pic trick. At a glance it looks like wide track axles under the Jeep. ------------- Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . T98-A Rock Crawler using exclusive factory parts and Approved Special Equipment from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) Zero aftermarket parts |
Posted By: masscj2a
Date Posted: 25 July 2019 at 2:30pm
OK, so this is the last bombing of Ricks thread. There is a discussion up in general on the tires now. Rick I will post one pic then be done.  ------------- 1946 CJ2a Dauntless aka Jalopy 1946 VEC stock 1981 CJ-8 5.3 LS 1966 CJ-6 SBC TUX 1968 CJ-6 225 V6 1974 CJ-6 4.2 1967 M-416 East Coast Modified CJ's |
Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 25 July 2019 at 5:07pm
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No worries, Mark. Those are good looking treads!
------------- 1947 CJ2a #119929 "Gus" 1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268 “Newt” https://youtube.com/channel/UCzTVBgCMit8vi2lFgnKs9YQ" rel="nofollow - My Videos |