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    Posted: 12 Nov. 2006 at 2:51pm
The Willys parts lists would have you believe there were only 2 styles of windshield on CJ2A, early & late, with all changes occuring at s/n 15304.

Turns out there was a 3rd configuration, with some attributes from both early & late styles.

I'd like to collect data to figure out when the final changes took place.  Let me know if you can help out.

Web page w/details:

      CJ2A Windshield Types

A quick reference for ID:
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Howard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov. 2006 at 3:16pm
You get an... 'Atta Boy'. Great work, Sean.
You have my data from #23353.
I am pleased to see you recognize that the parts list is not completely accurate... as written. Thanks for your work, again.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GaryArf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov. 2006 at 2:01pm

Sean,

I have a early style windshield outer that doesn't have ant stops at all. I believe that the corner gussets are what someone welded in there for stops. I see no evidence of and stop, bumper hole or no bumper hole.

 

 

 
I bought this on e-pay It has the studs for the early sliding military arm. I don't have any corallating data on ser. #'s but it needs some explanation.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov. 2006 at 7:13am
Gary:

Interesting find.  You're sure it hasn't just been removed?  Your first photo has some rust spots right where it would have been spot welded, about halfway out from bow retainer.

I can't tell from the angle of the photos, but is that a short windshield?  If so, it could be from a CJ2 prototype.  This photo, from the '45 Maintenance Manual, is a CJ2.  No backstop brackets:

    

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GaryArf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov. 2006 at 5:05pm
Sean,
I want to take some more serious pics of this windshield as I think it's the real Thing. I've looked all along the area that the stop would be and have found nothing but consistant paint (a number of colors) markings and no evidence of anything being removed. I still have the opportunity to ask about it from the seller, This I will do.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lowenuf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov. 2006 at 6:11pm
45 original MB frame, and it does not have the bumper brackets, would this be the same as the pre-2A (late 45, early 46 frames) ?..low
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Oakes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov. 2006 at 3:31am
My 10043 has no bump stops either. Sounds like the first configuration and their are 4 now.
The earliest ones also had the two holes in the rear side bow pocket, that funky headlight switch and no firewall data tags, not drilled for it either.
We also have the 4.5" slat grill solid disc rims and no acm#'s on the tailgate.
 
Hard to see in the picture.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Howard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov. 2006 at 5:12am
Bill...What is the deal with that picture...very cool. Got to be a story there.Must  have one of those winches and rollers!
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I have the jeep here but it looks nothing like that now. I have the original dealers invoice and transfer of ownership documents from WO to Gus. I spoke to the original owners son who then sent the picture. As a child, he was kidnapped when the Lindburg child was. Dad, the driver, was a famous radio show producer. They picked the jeep up and although the Capstan winch and driveshaft guards aren't on the invoice, they were put on as a gift. The owner and Charlie Sorenson, head of WO at the time both signed and dated the picture. Supposedly there is another w/ Charlie handing the keys to Gus in front of the jeep. They drove the jeep home to CT. It took two days. The caretaker, the second owner says he's looking for the original title and told me that the drum pully on the invoice was a fiber one.
  Gus, the owner/driver, did two shows a week in Detroit. Although he was a radio show producer he was trained as an engineer, in his home country, and only took the radio show job in Detroit so he could visit the vehicle assembly lines. He was friends w/ Sorenson and Bunky Knudsen. I still need a few things to start the resto, like the handcrank, drivers side seat and the driveshaft guards. It has 26K on the odometer and I've spoken to all the owners or family family members. 
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That's an amazing story. You're lucky to have all that Bill. I'm jealous.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov. 2006 at 9:22am
Well, the lack of backstop bumpers would seem to be correct for early windshields.  Aside from Garys & Bills, take another look at connomans awesome "barn find".  First photo that Gary posted for him:

     S/N 10371 Barn find

No backstop brackets.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GaryArf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov. 2006 at 2:09pm
Sean,
Here's another question between Bill's photo and Matt's barn find (kinda off topic but a good comparision)
Bill's #43 column shift lever knob is BLACK. Matts #371 column shift lever knob is IVORY.
I've seen both... Which is correct? 
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Gary:

Well, I don't know for sure.  I've read the comments on the ivory knob, and I've been meaning to mention this EVENTUALLY, so this sounds like a good time.

The ENTIRE shift lever in Matts #10371 does NOT look like all the others I've seen.  It may not be original.

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The early wagons could be had w/ an ivory column shift knob
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Ever notice the tiny distributors that the 45 2A's had vs the WWll and later 2A's? 
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Bill:

The narrow body distributors were Autolite IGW-4177-1.  The condenser was mounted externally.

We've had discussions about these before (here & on the G), vs the IAD-4008, which was used on MB and some CJ2As.  The manuals, as usual, are not definitive about when the 2 types were used.

  • the '45 dealers handbook lists only IGW-4177-1
  • the '45 parts list shows only WO #640152, which is the IGW-4177-1
  • the '47 parts list has NO distributor part number at all
  • the '49 parts list simply notes that "parts for dist. A-9075" are available only from Autolite.  A-9075 is the IAD-4008
  • the '45 & '53 maintenance/mechanics manuals only list the IGW-4177-1.
  • the '61 popular parts list has IGW-4177 for CJ2A exclusively, and IAD-4008 for both CJ2A and CJ3A.
  • the '65 service manual has the same as the popular parts list

Matts '45 #10371 has the IGW-4177-1.  '46 2As #16279 and 16489 have the IGW-4177-1.  First IAD-4008 I see in my photo archives is '47 #110923.

It's hard to make heads or tails of the manual listings, but it appears the IGW-4177-1 was the first distributor to be installed, then sometime before the end of '48 they either switched entirely to the IAD-4008, or used it interchangeably w/the IGW-4177-1.

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I think I've solved the riddle of the no-backstop windshield frames:

Early frames w/MB style adjusters don't have them.  They are not needed as the windshield adjusters themselves provide a positive stop.

Lollipop adjusters don't have a built-in stop, so the backstop brackets were added to the lower frame tube.

The parts lists don't reflect this change, since the backstop brackets were not available separately, only as part of the outer frame.

Takes us back to 3 styles.

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I have another windshield question. While at the Chrysler Museum looking over #26 I noticed a small tab on the drivers side outer windshild hinge. I looked at my early one and it is the same way. Looking at my later style windshields I find they are missing or maybey broke off?...I see on Seans link here that the one shown is missing as well?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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