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oldtime
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Those pics of course are examples of original publications and yes I have found a few errors in some of the books.
And have even corrected at least one big mistake.
Jeep very frequently copied their earlier publications word for word in later updated printings. And they very frequently used old photos (figures) to represent updated parts and assemblies. But I have not seen anything from “Jeep” to date that positively associates the SW’s and 16”. Of course when I designate “Jeep”, I am typically meaning to infer Willys Overland, Willys Motors, Kaiser Jeep Corp. or AMC Jeep Corporation. Edited by oldtime - 30 Apr. 2021 at 11:08pm |
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That part number 640800 is the same number Paul lists as a 4wd wagon wheel (no hubcap)on that page.
My guess is 2wds had 15s with hubcaps and 4wds may have had 16s...would make sense to me. I learned along time ago dealing with jeeps stuff to try to exclude saying never or something comparable to "only ever". How many of us would ever suspect a 13" wheel on a jeep as an example? (plus, by the same token, "...would make sense to me". would carry about as much weight too, I think) |
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oldtime
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The MPL is calling out for 642053 on 4wd wagons.
The 640800 was used on the early 2wd pick ups and also on used as the service standard on all cj’s prior to mid 1963. So yes for that reason it was the most common wheel that Jeep used. Perhaps Keith can do us some good here. One main reason why they seem to use so many different wheels is because many wheels appear similar yet are assembled using differing gauge rims and disks.
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dasvis
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Just 4'? Wimpy parts store -- we had three 6' racks on the counter at our store, plus undercounter shelving full & four more 6' racks in the back with the old catalogs for the antiques. Never throw out cataloging!
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mickeykelley
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The wagon rim size has been hash over numerous times over on the OldWillysForeum and I can tell you without a doubt, regardless of what Paul Berry supposedly says, the wagons were 15’s from the factory except "possibly" some special versions for maybe forest service or others, at least during the 50’s. My 55 is definitely original and has 15. Now the trucks did come with the 16’s as factory and many people did swap the wagons 15 for the truck 16. I remain open to changing the above if more definitive info is provided. Not to dish Paul as he know a whole lot more about these than I ever will (in fact he has probably forgot more than I ever even know), but life has taught me on numerous times that "experts" are not anyway right.
But in partial answer to the OP, part of why 16 are more popular probably has to do with tire availability. The extra 1/2” of clearance should hardly justify the change in my opinion. Edited by mickeykelley - 01 May 2021 at 3:45am |
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oldtime
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Here’s a set of 5 right here:
I really think this is why so very many jeeps have the wrong wheels. Seems like everyone was buying wagon wheels back in the mid 1970’s. That was a great time to get original wheels on a trade or buy for cheap.
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Wasn't there a diff between the t90 trans and t84 gearing? cj was marketed to farm which the 15 inch gave a bit better torque lost in the trans gearing?
We like the 16 for a little bit better road speed. But the 15inch military tires are still the same outside diameter at the military 16 inch tires for those that liked that. Fashion trend styling was large wheels to smaller wheals to get lower to the ground? fashion liked the looks. Almost everything was 15 in the 50's and a lot of 14 in the 60's.
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Joe Friday
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I'll do a little checking and get back to you.
Yes, I hashed this out on oldwillysforum, but I will check again.
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On the early CJs the 6.00 x 16" tire was standard and 7.00 x 15" were optional. These tires were the same height, so the torque was the same, but the 7.00 x 15" tires were wider providing better flotation.
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Joe Friday
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Well SO FAR, I have only looked at the Bill of Materials for the 463 wagons and deliverys.
Here are 2 examples. |
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Took about an hour to find those few examples.
I'll look for a few more late 1950's and early 1960's when I have time.
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Chug came with 15" Wheels when dad bought it in 62. I have currently 9 usable 15" wheels all off 2A and 3A jeeps. My 57 wagon had 15" wheels.
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