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mbullism 
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 Posted: 04 July 2021 at 9:26am |
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Well...It's time. Actually it's been time
for a while Been heading towards barcelona red to go with the faux normandy blue for a while, scored some rear seat springs in Ohio at the reunion so I now have all the required bits... but I'm getting ahead of myself The seats coming out are two rib / 3 panel backs out of a
cj2. .
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WITH a cj2 is a whole lot easier than finding a cj2 for myself, they're moving on. I
had hopes of finding original springs to use in my "new" seats, but
what I found was too cool in a flatty geekout sorta way. I knew the black vinyl covers were later, what I didn’t know was that whomever recovered them simply put a one inch foam pad over what appears to be the original gray canvas…it was like an archeological dig. .
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thought it was a cool find, moving on Edited by mbullism - 19 July 2021 at 6:27am |
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damar2yxr
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Posted: 05 July 2021 at 9:08am |
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SO which color you gonna go with? I am thrilled that you got those frames off to their proper home. Wasn't grey the color of seat covers for the Normandy Blue? The seat covers on my orange jeep at the reunion were the Walcks selection of grey. I have Walcks Barcelona red for a Picket Grey CJ2a I'm working on. As I stare at them mounted on the seats I wonder if they may be a bit bold for the Normandy Blue. I could send you the rear seat covers in Barcelona red since they weren't put on yet....you could then eye ball them yourself. Return them at Jeeps in January or the next reunion...I'm not in a hurry.
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Posted: 05 July 2021 at 9:29am |
OK....I’m wrong. It actually looks pretty good. Ignore me. You have what color wheels? I don’t remember. Harvard red and the red seats work, the orange wheels make the grey work better.
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Posted: 05 July 2021 at 1:40pm |
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Ya, I was happy to move the other seats to where they belong. They weren't right for mine, and the only thing they added was a story... I still have that  .  . I don't know what to make of the gray I found. I guess it could be beat on 75yo OD, just calling it like I see it. I believe gray was available with the normandy, but later than 69750
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Posted: 08 July 2021 at 6:41am |
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The old seats out, time to turn to the new to me seats going in. A little fun test fitting, this should ("should") be easy peasey
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These are original 2A frames in really decent shape, just some cosmetic stuff to attend to. They had been sand blasted, primed and painted to arrest further rusting, some small holes have been drilled in the tubing presumably to get water out...there is some pin hole rust through in the drivers back, and a little crinkling of the back pan. Structurally sound they could be used as is, but a little attention is in order  The pin hole rust comes with the requisite areas of thin metal surrounding the hole itself. The thought of welding them closed was.... quickly discarded, lol. I know my limitations  . An attempt to weld all these up was going to end in buying new sheet metal, lol. Viable options that came to mind were that low temp brazing type rod, or the cream style JB weld used as a filler. The low heat was going to affect more of the paint than necessary, so we fill. The repairs will not be seen from the spring/cover front side, so locally down to bare metal-.  . backed from the "face side" .  . and "gooped" .  . A little smoothing in, high build primer and a full sand scuff and repaint and this'll work for the forseeable future. Have to get the new to me short back rear seat frame tweeked to fit, and caught up. Edited by mbullism - 08 July 2021 at 9:09am |
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Posted: 08 July 2021 at 8:43am |
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The patina matches the Jeep. Seamless transition.😀
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SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A
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Posted: 08 July 2021 at 11:00am |
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If there is EVER a chance of needing to weld your seat frames to repair holes, do not braze them. Way back in the early days of my association with Ol' Red I discovered that the PO had brazed the center seam of the hood in several places as well as part of the hood hinge. I ended up buying another jeep just for the hood and then selling it with the brazed hood for what I had in it. Well, that isn't exactly what happened; I also got a really fine pair of seat frames also. I had purchased Ol' Red with seats that were a pair of really worn out VW bucket seats.
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Posted: 08 July 2021 at 12:20pm |
FWIW, the stuff I was thinking about isn't really brazing, per say. It melts with a propane torch...must be some kind of solderish type alloy. That said, I had a ton of brass in a cj5 I once had (my options at the time were stick welding or brazing...) the brass never gave me any troubles. Guess I'm wondering what issues you had with brass in the hood? M
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Posted: 08 July 2021 at 1:19pm |
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The brazing interferes with the welding that needed to be done on the hood. The quality of the brazing was not good and I couldn't get it cleaned up enough for it not to contaminate the welding that needed done on the hinge area. Even when I tried to braze the center seam of the hood it would break out on the leading edge. I'm glad I managed to find another hood. It served well for years until I ultimately bought a MD Juan repop body kit.
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Posted: 08 July 2021 at 6:20pm |
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Gotcha... I never had to revisit anything brazed with the welder. I can see where it would be a popping mess, though. I think the JB will serve just fine here. I literally was considering replacing the whole pan instead of welding the thin spots. I had to weld some pin holes in the bucket on my tractor when I bought it, much heavier steel to start... I'll bet I put two spools of wire in that thing chasing the pinholes back to sound metal. Much easier to cut it out and patch I'd bet, but here with the ribs and all it wasn't worth it for the cosmetic fix I needed.
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Posted: 08 July 2021 at 8:39pm |
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I've done the very same repair (in the same spot) the JB Weld works well.
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Posted: 09 July 2021 at 9:10am |
Appreciate the feedback
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Posted: 12 July 2021 at 6:30am |
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I won't bore ya'll with the sanding and filling and sanding and... but this is gonna be just fine
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Posted: 15 July 2021 at 5:59am |
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Looks great.
I have become fond of PC-7 epoxy. I've used it a lot with both projects and it hold up well and can be easily painted over. JB is just as good. Just throwing out a second option out there.
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Posted: 17 July 2021 at 4:46pm |
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So even a little progress is progress. Seats on the cheap...sort of
. Quick trip to Ocean State Job Lot (local discount store). One package of 3/8in "anti-fatigue" floor mats, one 1/8" yoga mat, one 4ft x15ft canvas drop cloth....  , double layer of 8oz canvas over the springs and hog ringed down, the anti fatigue mat, yoga mat and a top single canvas sheet- .  .  .  . Couple little puckers here and there, but pretty happy with it for a first attempt (I plan on adding a couple runs in the paint later to even everything out
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Posted: 18 July 2021 at 7:51am |
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Those look great! The color choice is spot on!
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Posted: 18 July 2021 at 1:39pm |
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So decent progress this morning... somehow I got all four cushions done without installing a cover inside out
I may even be able to go for a ride next weekend... if it ever fg stops raining  .  .  .  .  . On to the rear seat -
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Posted: 18 July 2021 at 3:06pm |
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Nice job
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