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rocnroll
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......and then you'll need to start worrying about the orientation of the lines inside the lenses on the reproduction NACO taillight lenses too but that's a story for another day.
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Sean,
It was you that I got that picture from, maybe my memory isn't going after all. But..........................., Oh I forget. Thanks again, it was a big help when I was cutting the holes in the taillight panel |
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Bill Norris
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Sean,
THanks for the 47 parts manual quote. I don't have that one. Guess too many beerskis in my prior life fried those recollection braincells.
Bill
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48cj2a
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Sean,
I looked closely for dimples and knockouts, but my footman loop knockouts are the only ones on the passenger side reflector panel.
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sean
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Art:
Must notta got many orders for them! Sean |
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Bill Norris
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Sean,
You say they are in your 47 parts manual, but are they in the 45? I would suspect because they were added later in production as an option, they would not have taken the time to change the tooling for the body panels. I would also guess that you are correct, not many people got them.
There were other options that required drilling like the capstan winch. Someone had to drill holes in the bumper for the rope roller as well as drill out some of the frame rivets for the mounting plate.
Bill
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samcj2a
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I'm not at all surprised that hand drilling would be necessary for options. In 1960-61, I worked at a Pontiac dealership and routinely installed outside rearview mirrors on new cars that had been ordered with them, but the mirrors were to be installed by the dealer. A template came with the mirror kit to locate the holes in the door or fender properly. We didn't drill the holes, though. I was taught to punch them in the sheet metal with an awl and hammer. It was great fun to do that with the buyer looking over my shoulder as the young teeenager that I was hammered a crude looking hole in the sheet metal of their new car. (The reason for the awl was to bend down the metal whcih surely happened so that the sheet metal screw holding on the mirror bracket would have something to bite into.)
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sean
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The heater was also optional, but they did change the firewall knockouts each time the heater location changed! Go figure. Sean Edited by sean - 10 July 2008 at 6:19pm |
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samcj2a
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Sean, while we're on the topic of Willys' practices, it seems to me that the rough time that a new part was catalogued and potentially made availablr can be estimated crudely by noting the the numeric sequence of the part number assigned and bracketing the unknown "date" between a pair of parts whose availability is documented and whose numbers are above and below that of the part having an unknown date. In other words, my assumption is that the part numbers were assigned in time-sequence order.
I had been speculating about when in time the 3A transfer case shift lever might have been available and used just by trying to bracket the part number. You popped up with the service bulleting before I drew any conclusion because, at the time, I did not have access to the index to part numbers that lives in the hard copy parts lists.
Does this make any sense to you? I realize that the date a part number is assigned is not definitive as to when it was first used, although my assumption is that, ordinarily, a new part would not be used prior to its having a part number.
Edit: Just noticed that I'm kinda mixing up the threaded transfer case lever thread with this one, but, hey, we're talking Willys practices here. Edited by samcj2a - 10 July 2008 at 6:35pm |
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sean
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Sam:
Generally speaking, I think that's a good assumption. There are a few, but not many, exceptions. Some fasteners have low-digit numbers, eg. 5xxxx, probably left overs from pre-war. They did introduce some of these willy-nilly among the 6xxxxx numbers. Sean |
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samcj2a
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Okay, now we know where and why the expression "willy nilly" originated.
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Sam.......you're too much!!!! That's great.
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Tombo
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Two questions, but first a THANK YOU to all of you in this series of posts. What a complete education for a new owner of a "survivor" '46. I look for details and accuracy on how it was/should be, even if I keep/choose to deviate for several reasons. And now I know what that hole is on the right side next to the tail light!
1. Is there any evidence the "factory" or authorized dealers used tail lights other than the NACO as described? I ask because of a picture reportedly showing "original" tail lights, but they had two bezel screws on the face rather than one on the side. 2. Am I deviating "too far" if I use the chrome bezel tail lights for '33-'36 Ford I found at a reasonable price (two screws on face of bezel)? A well known retailer sent me a repro NACO, but has not been able to complete my order because they have no source for the driver tail light (and now no more PAX side lights). Thanks again. |
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48cj2a
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ALA (Auto Lite) is another beginning in late 48
These were available with a lic plate lens and solid for the right |
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Tombo
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Much appreciated, great picture. Thank you. Even better than "period correct"
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Tom
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