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Oldpappy 
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 Topic: 47 CJ2A - Back in Service After a DecadePosted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 5:35pm |
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As I mentioned in another post I recently finished the work to get my CJ2A back in serviceable condition.
Went to DMV yesterday and got into some red tape over the price I paid for the Jeep which is written on the title. They looked up value for a 1947 CJ2A and told me the average retail was $21,000.00 so they required an Affidavit from the seller stating why this one was priced so low. The guy I bought this Jeep from had never titled it. He gave me the title which was signed 10 years ago by the guy he bought it from. I thought I was in a fix, but this morning was able to actually find the man whose name is on the title. Found him on LinkedIn and he was in the same field of work I was in, so sent him a message and he agreed to fill out the Affidavit. Finding the guy was a long shot, but I turned out lucky. Still can't legally drive it on the roads, but I did put it to work today gathering fallen trees and limbs in my back fields, dragging them to a burn pile and burning them. She looked good to me sitting in the pasture so I took some pictures. The little Jeep can pull some logs!    |
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SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A
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Posted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 5:50pm |
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Average retail $21K for a 1947 CJ-2a!
 Where is that coming from? Inquiring minds want to know!While your jeep looks much better than average, there is probably no way you could come close to $21K if you sold it. It is conceivable that one restored could have that much in parts and labor, but most of us probably wouldn't expect to get that out of our rigs. I would guess that if I were so inclined I would price Ol' Red as near and dear as I could because you can always come down in asking price but it is almost impossible to go up in asking price from what you ask originally. If I did ask $21K for Ol' Red, I suspect that she would sit quite a while before she sold at that price. (No, she's not for sale, guys...) |
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Posted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 6:06pm |
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Yeah, I told the girl at the DMV there is no way $21,000 was "average retail", but I suppose the data she looked at is based on the overblown prices some of the "Classic Car" outfits list fully restored Jeeps for on the Internet. I know some nice Jeeps do sell for a lot in the real world, but not many from around here anyway.
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Posted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 6:08pm |
The DMV, in their infinite wisdom, hasn't stopped to ponder that either that means that they ALL sell for 21K, or for every one that sells for 5K there has to be one sold for 37.. and so on (or one really great big one that sells for a million five so we can buy some at more realistic prices- so: I'm willing to sell mine for $1,500,000.00 to help ya'll out  (Just remember there's gonna be sales tax, too
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Posted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 6:23pm |
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Happy to pay $1241 for a new one... |
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Posted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 6:26pm |
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There is that one Jeep which was listed with Hemmings, and other places in recent years which is claimed to have been found in a crate somewhere in Europe left over from WW2 and of course it is in perfect condition.
Yeah, right, and the Italian made brass frame 1951 "Colt" I saw at a local gun shop is actually a real Colt like the card in their case claims. I suppose someone disguised to look like a cheap Italian copy with the Italian markings, poor finish, and brass frame. Government mentality is about getting more money in taxes. Giving more money to the Government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys, you never will see any of it again.
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Posted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 6:35pm |
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If they left off one zero that would be about 'average'.
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Posted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 7:19pm |
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Well...that's that. I found it on the internet, so it must be true
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Posted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 7:36pm |
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A guy wants to buy my 3B, it looks like I need to up the price now.
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Posted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 7:59pm |
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"When determining a value for a daily driver, it is recommended that the subscriber use the low retail value."
So, just tell the DMV that it is a "daily driver". That is about what I would expect to get out of Ol' Red, which is a daily driver; even though I have about that much in the resto-mod build. |
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Posted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 10:44pm |
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The previous owner of the Jeep graciously agreed to fill out and sign the Affidavit of transfer form the DMV gave me. His statement on why it was priced below "average retail value was "At time of sale vehicle was in poor mechanical condition, not drivable, and the body badly rusted".
This is an entirely accurate description of the Jeep when I bought it last year. I had to rebuild much of the mechanical stuff, replace the fenders and tailgate and do some more body work on the tub just to get it where it is road worthy again.
I think this completed and signed form will get me beyond the red tape. I feel exceptionally lucky to have been able to find the correct guy with a simple Google search. No there is certainly no way this Jeep would sell for $21,000. I don't think it would even bring the "daily driver" value in that article, and after I get one of my other Jeeps back on the road I know I would sell it for less than $8,000, but I am not ready to sell it now. I think it does present fairly well for what it is, and it is in good mechanical condition now. It runs and drives very well, but a close inspection would show all the warts. The tub is pretty bad, floor panels are patched over rust, and there is a lot of body filler in the side panels. Has new fenders and tailgate. The hood has a lot of dents that don't show with the low luster paint in pictures. I may repair or replace the tub if I keep it long because it bugs me, but it is solid enough to drive.
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Posted: 14 Apr. 2021 at 11:11pm |
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This ordeal with the DMV tells me I need to be proactive with getting paperwork in order for my other two project Jeeps which I paid a lot less for than this one.
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Posted: 15 Apr. 2021 at 9:06pm |
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Went back to DMV today with the affidavit and got it titled without any more red tape. Ready for a road trip!
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Posted: 15 Apr. 2021 at 9:15pm |
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I've found that it depends on which clerk you deal with.
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Posted: 15 Apr. 2021 at 11:27pm |
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Just got back from driving it into town to the store.
First time it has been on the road, and driven at "top speed" since 2010. I think my tractor may go a little faster.
However, it was the first time I got to try out all the gears. Just a 4 mile drive, both ways, on country tar and gravel back roads and "town" in this case consists of a general store, one church, a little opera house, a closed blacksmith shop, and a closed school. It drove and ran very well, but the transmission is very noisy in 3rd gear (bearing whine) and it did pop out of 2nd once (syncronizer), so I will rebuild one of my extras and swap it out soon. Everything else was fine. No slop at all in the steering, tracks well does not pull to either side, and it stops in a straight line. |
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Posted: 16 Apr. 2021 at 12:42am |
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Glad to see it running, look good.
Phil
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Posted: 16 Apr. 2021 at 12:59am |
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Excellent! Enjoy!
Heading to camp tomorrow to run my '48 around a bit. Gonna get it Muddy! It's SNOWING here right now...ugh; but ground is soft and wet. Plan on giving the Supertraxions a workout!
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Posted: 16 Apr. 2021 at 2:29am |
 Happy for you and glad you got it all worked out. Now it is time to enjoy putting the miles on it. Jim
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