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sean
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Awesome! Remember, 5 of my buckles are unstamped too (rear curtain).
Same as mine. Sean
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jpet
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Can you get a closeup shot of the binding on your side curtain? At your convenience of course. |
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side curtain, and 2 different rear panels..all NOS...
all appear to be plastic coated cloth of some kind...
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45 #10033 ACM #47 45 #10163 ACM #188 57 CJ5 Dauntless V6, T-18 4-speed, D-44 rear/D-30 front, D-20 twin stick |
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jpet
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... sorry. Is there any way I can get a little more focus? I'm having a vendor look at it
At your leisure of course. |
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lowenuf
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i also emailed this to you, hope this is better....
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jpet
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Binding:
This is Dell's rear half cab flap: Here is the binding: Here is a rear flap that I borrowed from Lowenuf: Binding: Original doors skin binding: Another rear panel: Binding: All of these examples have a binding that looks to me like it is a cotton cloth that is cut on the bias. To me, all three appear to actually be a white colored cloth and the coating on them is OD in color. I'm not sure but everywhere I see wear, the cloth is white and everywhere that I see a "waxy" coating, the fabric is OD. Maybe not. Just an observation. At first, I thought the binding was an OD cloth that had been coated perhaps in linseed oil i.e. oil cloth but I would have thought that when the coating wore off, the fabric would still be OD in color underneath. All of these example have one continuous piece of binding. The piece of binding on the half cab flap is approximately 201 inches long. Here are some more samples: I borrowed this rear right panel from Lowenuf: Binding: This one has a vinyl binding or "leatherette". Here is a bow flap sample I have: Binding: This also has a vinyl binding. All of the top pieces I have shown you have binding (biet cloth or vinyl) that is 1-1/4" wide double folded to be 7/8" wide (7/16" per side): I am not sure if the bow flap is CJ2A or not but the other examples I assume are CJ2A since they all have steel window frames. Edited by jpet - 15 Jan. 2011 at 5:02pm |
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From the little investigation into binding cloth articles I did for making flags I learned that most binding is cut on the bias....I assume it is for strength...(you probably already knew that)
It can be obtained commercially premade and prefolded in alimited selection, or you can just use whatever material you need for it to make it.
It is amazing just how much original canvas is hanging around in peoples garages! I guess I just buy my jeeps way too low on the food chain to see any.
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http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/tech-faq_forum57.html for a lot of great stuff you need to know!! |
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jpet
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That's one of two reasons: Here are two examples of a woven fabric. The one to the left is a "straight of grain" cut. The one to the right is a "bias" cut. The red lines are the yarns, and the white lines are fold lines. The bias cut is stronger because there is not one single yarn exposed when the fabric is folded. If you fold the left example on the white line yarn is exposed to wear the entire length of the binding where the example on the right has several shorter yarns, none of them are the length of the binding. The second reason is that bias binding is easier to curve around corners for the same reason. You are bending several small yarns instead of several continuous yarns.
Straight of grain is cheaper because you can make continuous parallel cuts. Bias has to be cut on an angle so typically you can't get continuous length. The binding around the rear half cab flap is one continuous piece. it is approximately 201 inches long. In order to make one piece of bias binding to go go around the perimeter, you would need a piece of fabric that is almost 12 feet wide ((201/1.414 = 142.15)/12 = 11.85'). The perimeter of the rear panel of the rear roof assembly is even bigger, approximately 235 inches. I don't have one to see if it is a continuous piece. The OD cotton fabric I have found is only 72" wide max. Edit: That is if you are making your own bias binding. I don't know how a one piece continuous bias "tape" is made. Edited by jpet - 15 Jan. 2011 at 7:43pm |
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jpet
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Let's talk late style tops for a bit:
Here are some pics of Art's top: http://48cj2a.com/halfcab.htm The front side curtains are sewn to the front roof and there is a rear panel with an arch opening: With this style the rear flap can be used to complete the back of a half cab, or it can be installed in the back of the entire full top canopy. It is obviously 2A since it has 10 grommets in front to attach to the windshield but it has a zipper to attach the rear roof and rear side curtains like a 3A rather than 15 turn buttons like an early 2A top. Questions: A complete full top of this style is 7 pieces? I think I've seen somewhere some pictures of a top like this one where the rear roof and rear curtains attach with 15 turn buttons instead of a zipper, but it still has the "universal" rear flap. Does anyone know who has one where I can get some pictures? Edited by jpet - 18 Jan. 2011 at 3:59pm |
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jeff
that is the look that i am trying for on my jeep. are you going to make the back wall ? kept up the good work.
dennis
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jpet
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When the research is complete, yes. |
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Below are some photos of CJ-2A 179900. From the 1949 CJ-2A CJ-3A Parts List is appears that CJ-2A tops received zippers to connect the front and rear "After Serial No. 136456"
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jpet
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Steel window frames. Rear roof and rear curtains are attached with a zipper. Stud & eyelet turn buttons attach the rear curtain to the roof. Doors have the vertical zipper with flap for hand signals as opposed to the curved zipper like a 3A Edited by jpet - 19 Jan. 2011 at 2:33am |
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Bob W
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I think the late CJ2A tops were very much like an early CJ-3A top. It
looks to me like the rear horizontal rods showed up after CJ-2A 136546,
quantity 2 of 667851 Rail, quarter, rear top bow.
The early CJ-3A tops still used steel window frames and the L shaped hand signal opening. |
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jpet
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This front roof assembly has 3 independent zippers correct? Left curtain, right curtain, rear roof. |
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jpet
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Does the late style top have 3 bow flaps like the early style? |
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sean
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Don't have one to look at, but that's what the parts list says:
Sean
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jpet
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Thanks Sean. I see in this pic that there are 3 zippers:
The parts list would also suggest that the half cab does not have bow flaps. Bob or Art, can one of you guys confirm this at your convenience? .... or anyone with a late half cab? I assume that there is a reinforcement ply sewn on the inside of the back panel here where the strap is sewn on: Usually wherever a strap is sewn there are 2 plys. Do one of youn's have a pic of this reinforcement piece if it exists? Edited by jpet - 08 Mar. 2011 at 3:32am |
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