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   OK I have a pair of 2° Pinion adjustment wedges I want to install in my front suspension. This will help make up for the longer front shackles and improve my straight line stability. Yes I know it will also slightly increase my steering effort. BUT as I have a 6.25 turn Saginaw 525 Manual box(of which only 3.5 turns in the middle of it are used going stop to stop) I have plenty of mechanical advantage all ready.

SO my question Should I add the wedge to the slot between the U Bolt plate and the bottom of the springs (the largest surface area) which will lower the front of the jeep about 1/8"? Or should I put it between the Spring Perch on the axle and the top of the spring. (less contact area if placed here) but easier to do?

One of the side benefits of this is the clearance between my oversized one piece Tierod and the Nuts that lock its rotation with the Tierod ends will increase they are pretty close now.

Not looking forward to this Job jacking up the frame and then jacking up the axle. PITA

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Mark W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Sponsor Member Joined: 09 Nov. 2014 Location: Silverton, OR Status: Offline Points: 7986	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark W. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Castor Posted: 07 Mar. 2021 at 9:19pm
	OK I have a pair of 2° Pinion adjustment wedges I want to install in my front suspension. This will help make up for the longer front shackles and improve my straight line stability. Yes I know it will also slightly increase my steering effort. BUT as I have a 6.25 turn Saginaw 525 Manual box(of which only 3.5 turns in the middle of it are used going stop to stop) I have plenty of mechanical advantage all ready. SO my question Should I add the wedge to the slot between the U Bolt plate and the bottom of the springs (the largest surface area) which will lower the front of the jeep about 1/8"? Or should I put it between the Spring Perch on the axle and the top of the spring. (less contact area if placed here) but easier to do? One of the side benefits of this is the clearance between my oversized one piece Tierod and the Nuts that lock its rotation with the Tierod ends will increase they are pretty close now. Not looking forward to this Job jacking up the frame and then jacking up the axle. PITA
	Chug A Lug 1948 2A Body Customized 1949 3A W/S 1957 CJ5 Frame Modified Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962

oldtime Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 12 Sep. 2009 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 4184	Post Options Post Reply Quote oldtime Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Mar. 2021 at 9:47pm
	Putting wedges at bottom of springs will do no good. It is the angle of the spring perch that effect the castor.
	Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . T98-A Rock Crawler using exclusive factory parts and Approved Special Equipment from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) Zero aftermarket parts

Mark W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Sponsor Member Joined: 09 Nov. 2014 Location: Silverton, OR Status: Offline Points: 7986	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark W. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Mar. 2021 at 10:12pm
	LOL I was just coming here to delete this thread. I started to loosen up things to get ready to put the wedges in and realized they had to go between the perches and the top of the springs. or as you pointed out they wouldn't do anything. I'll leave this here in case it helps someone else. Thanks oldtime
	Chug A Lug 1948 2A Body Customized 1949 3A W/S 1957 CJ5 Frame Modified Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962

uncamoney Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 26 June 2019 Location: greeley co Status: Offline Points: 451	Post Options Post Reply Quote uncamoney Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Mar. 2021 at 10:26pm
	I had thought about a reply but then you wouldn't have seen your error "Duh"! I'm too good at the forehead slap on myself but then again I've wanted to give several others one.
	john

oldtime Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 12 Sep. 2009 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 4184	Post Options Post Reply Quote oldtime Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Mar. 2021 at 10:30pm
	I figured you knew that Mark It just slipped your mind for a brief minute or so. Edited by oldtime - 07 Mar. 2021 at 10:31pm
	Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B . T98-A Rock Crawler using exclusive factory parts and Approved Special Equipment from the Willys Motors era (1953-1963) Zero aftermarket parts

BD1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 18 Dec. 2019 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 630	Post Options Post Reply Quote BD1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Mar. 2021 at 2:01am
	I have a Dana 30 that I'd like to put in the front of my 2a at some point. Are these shims something I need to start looking for?
	BD '47 CJ2a, Shiny on top! '55 CJ5 project

Bruce W Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 29 July 2005 Location: Northeast Colorado Status: Offline Points: 9651	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bruce W Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Mar. 2021 at 2:17am
	OK, now that you have that sorted out, let's take care of the last detail: It's CASTER, not Castor. You're dealing with an alinement angle here, not the nasty stuff your Mom used to feed you whenever you didn't feel good. BW
	It is NOT a Jeep Willys! It is a Willys jeep. Happy Trails! Good-bye, Good Luck, and May the Good Lord Take a Likin' to You! We Have Miles to Jeep, Before We Sleep.

Mark W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Sponsor Member Joined: 09 Nov. 2014 Location: Silverton, OR Status: Offline Points: 7986	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark W. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Mar. 2021 at 2:55am
	But Bruce that's no fun. Can I blame it on auto correct?
	Chug A Lug 1948 2A Body Customized 1949 3A W/S 1957 CJ5 Frame Modified Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962

Mark W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Sponsor Member Joined: 09 Nov. 2014 Location: Silverton, OR Status: Offline Points: 7986	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark W. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Mar. 2021 at 3:01am
	Oh by the way I pretty much have the Wedge in the right side and tight enough to see how its going to work out. The drive shaft angle change is nothing to worry about. And the Great part is I have a LOT of clearance for my HD Tie Rod and the locking nuts so that there is no chance of them hanging up on the spring in some weird off camber condition. Also I did a bunch of reading on Caster and lets say the longer shackles reduced my stock 3° to 2° by then adding a 2° wedge I have a little extra at 4° The Hot Rod guys tend to go to 7° as a matter of course (though a few guys in the know think this is excessive) With as much Hwy driving I intend to do a little help staying in a straight line might be nice. And an extra degree of Caster will do that.
	Chug A Lug 1948 2A Body Customized 1949 3A W/S 1957 CJ5 Frame Modified Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962