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    Posted: 19 May 2023 at 8:17pm
Is there kit or diagram to change a 1947 from a generator to n alternator? What all do you have to change electric?

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  If you dont know then maybe you shouldn’t be foolin’ with it. Why not leave it the h3ll alone? Just because “everybody” says you have to change it? Unless you’re planning to run a “boom-boom” stereo or a winch, or a mess of lights like a bull-hauler, the generator will do just fine. 
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Wow. Ouch
Having a bad day Bruce?

Looks like Jimmy just joined 2 hours ago. Nice welcome.

Hi Jimmy,
There's tons of posts, wiring diagrams, and information about converting vintage jeeps from generator to alternator.
Lots of it in this forum, and tons more on the interweb.

Do you know how to search?

Good luck!


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Hi Jimmy, 1st off welcome to the group. Almost every one on here is here to help out.  We all have to start somewhere and kudos to you for starting.. I inherited a 1945 cj2a and knew nothing about them, but always loved them. So back to your ? If you look at the top of the message board you will see New Posts, click on that and look for shulls1stcj2a and I posted a comment on this thread. Alot of good info. Hope this helps. And again welcome 
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Yep thats the one. Thanks Ron 
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Kaiser Willy’s sells a conversion kit. You can check it out in their catalog
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Originally posted by Michaeltru Michaeltru wrote:

Kaiser Willy’s sells a conversion kit. You can check it out in their catalog


Yes, Kaiser Willys sells a super expensive conversion kit --- $365
With careful shopping you can buy a Delco 10SI alternator and a much better mounting bracket for the alternator for about half that.
Use the other $180 bucks for something else.

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I suggest setting up your own conversion rather than paying the expensive one as noted above.  The 10SI delco alternators are really cheap on Rock Auto even with a core charge and after that it's just a bit of wiring.  Usually it's suggested you delete the Ammeter of the stock setup and use a volt meter instead when converting. 
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You might want to add up your current and future load / amps to properly size your alternator. 
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Yes, lots to consider if making the kit yourself. Not hard to do.

A fairly common amp size for the Delco 10SI is 63 amps and this is plenty for a stock jeep. I stayed with the +/- 50 amp ammeter instead of changing to a voltmeter. Either works. Lots of opinions which gauge is better. More amps isn't necessarily better if you don't need them because more amps usually costs more $.

Decide if you want a "One-wire" or the "3-wire" hook up. Because most jeeps don't have a tell-tale idiot light on the dash for the alternator, a "One-wire" hook up is simple and works well.

You'll want to buy the alternator "clocked" for the 9-o'clock mounting position on the L134.

Check the pulley to make sure the belt width fits in the sheave properly and that the pulley aligns with the crank and water pump pulleys correctly. If you need a different pulley, they're pretty cheap and easy to change. I'm running dual-belts so had to change the pulley for that.

I also customized my 10SI by selecting and installing a voltage regulator that charges at 13.8 volts (typical is 14.3 volts) and has a "low rpm" cut-in (the speed that begins charging). Pulley diameter affects this as well.

Consider installing a circuit breaker to protect the alternator. Not expensive and fairly easy to do.

The Delco 10SI has been around 50+ years and they made millions of them. It's a good piece of gear.

Good luck.



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If it helps, here's some good information:


http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/onewire-threewire.shtml

http://www.madelectrical.com/electrical-tech.shtml








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The Mad Electrical site is an excellent source of information if you're not familiar with electrical systems, like I was. He may still be available by phone and is extremely knowledgeable, but only call at your own risk as he will literally never stop talking! Super nice guy, but wow... 
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Originally posted by Ron D Ron D wrote:

Wow. Ouch
Having a bad day Bruce?


Ok, a shout out for Bruce.   He can be a little crusty but his heart is pure and he's a really nice guy.   I'd be the same if I had to wear his jeep police badge.   It's a heavy burden and I'm glad he stepped up.

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Yeah, Bruce has chewed everyone’s ass 

Pay no mind, nothing to see here. 
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A 12v generator is a much easier swap and looks original, just say’in 😬

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Originally posted by Lee MN Lee MN wrote:

A 12v generator is a much easier swap and looks original, just say’in 😬

Lee

X2!!  When I see an alternator under the hood of an old Willys Jeep, I feel a little bit sad.Cry
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  Yeah, that silver-colored alternator just kinda jumps out at ya when the hood is opened. The only thing worse is when it’s on an antique tractor. Then it cant hide. But no, before anybody says anything, I am not an officer of the Tractor Police. Good thing. 
Now, Get off my lawn. 
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