CJ2A product review section? I think we need it! |
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samcj2a
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uglyjeep
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No, as I mentioned in the first post, that is not the intentions of the proposed review section to slander or badmouth vendors. And, I don't believe we have to worry about the most of the vendors out there. There are many that are dedicated to constantly improving their offerings. There are a lot of ethics issues involved here, but that is why I ask for honest and thoughtful reviews. Reviews are not the place to act out a vendetta, or carry on a grudge about a particular vendor. Simple honesty and knowlege in the reviews themselves will be enough to get our point across. That point being that we want to know who sells what parts, and which parts are of notable, or of despicable quality. Tact and honesty can go a long way toward making a point, or toward achieving the goal of improving our market options for quality reproduction parts. Some vendors have already taken steps to improve their product line, look at Walcks new site for example, it appears he is incorporating a review option in his new website, as so many others in the retail world have already done. Also, look at some of the WWII jeep parts vendors, like Midwest Military who come out with their own product lines, emphasizing that they are disappointed with currently available parts. If executed properly, our review section can influence vendors which will influence the manufacturers. Who knows, maybe we can help do our part for the current economy and get some more American based parts suppliers back in business... .. Let's do this...but let's do this the right way! Daniel Edited by uglyjeep - 17 Feb. 2011 at 7:34pm |
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Mike S
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Many special interest BBS sites provide for 'reviews' by members. Apparently they are not concerned about liability issues. Perhaps a disclaimer statement would suffice to eliminate your concerns.
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regor
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Sam, I agree with the sub-forum as a way to promote information to our members. It would allow specific access and the benefit of experience in a forum atmosphere. An example: Recently there were post relative to wiring harness. Several post indicated suppliers with whom the memeber had a good expierence, others questioned certain aspects relative to a supplier and or product. The information was deceimenated through the procss of the forum without critizing anyone in particular. I have had the problem in the past of finding information realative to my project, which had been previously delt with in previous post. Using the sub-forum system you suggest,would narrow down the area's to explore, hopefully! I could have saved hundreds of dollars had I known about the lack of fitability (new word) of the Phillipean parts that I purchased. And let me clear, it's not that the Phillpean parts are bad, it's just that they fit their products and not my Willys tub. My supplier told me I may have to make some alterations, they didn't tell me I would have to remanufacture the parts, which became necessary. Many of which I returned for credit. This proposal would appear to be a fitting way to proceed. There are many new members coming on-board almost daily. The CJ2A Pages are certainly becoming a most important avenue for restoration.
regor 46CJ2AVEC #13241 "You can fool some of the people some of the time, But; not all of the people all of the time" |
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bkreutz
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I think this would be useful, the reluctance I have is when it comes to vendors as it's possible for individuals to have vastly different experiences. An example is there is one particular vendor that I won't deal with after a bad experience. It's to the point that if he was the only one in the world with a part I needed, I'd do without. Strong stuff huh? But on the other hand I've read posts by other members who recommend him. I think what has happened is that there's a fundamental personality clash between me and him, one of those "oil and water" deals that happen from time to time in life. I haven't said anything negative about him in public postings (at least I don't think I have, but my mind is fading fast) because I don't want my personal experiences to influence others that may have no problem at all. Just throwing out my .02 worth, now I'll get back to my Active house design project
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ralf
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Along the lines of Gail's post,"you will never regret saying something nice about someone". I don't think there is any issue as to liability as there are really no limits to what you can say online. ( I happen to know a good lawyer) That is why you should proceed cautiously because such a spot could easily get out of hand with flaming someone and then others rushing to their defense. If we all had Gail's restraint I wouldn't worry about this.
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uglyjeep
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Again, this should not be about attacking vendors, its main focus should be a review of parts they carry.
I'll stick my neck out, and give you an example of one real part review that I intended to mention. This is the type of content that I would like to see in a part review. Let's see what you think: Inner steering sector shaft bushing part number 639090 and outer sector shaft bushing part number 639091. (insert photo here of original, Walcks and Army Jeep Parts Bushings) The Walcks bushings: The bushings that Walcks offers were very close in appearance and construction to the originals and matched the length and diameters of the originals nicely. There is a long and a short bushing, just as the originals. The bushings appear to be steel backed bronze. One difference to the originals was that the oil grooves on the outer bushing was cut all the way across the bushing, unlike the original bushing's oil grooves which stop short of the bushing end. This should not be a problem in operation if the sector shaft oil seal is in good condition. I would recommend these bushings, and I would be inclined to purchase them again. The Army Jeep Parts bushings: The bushings that came in the sector shaft kit from Army Jeep Parts are both the same length and outer diameter as the factory short bushing. There is supposed to be a long bushing and a short bushing, so two short bushings is incorrect. They both do have lubrication grooves that go the entire length of the bushings. The bushing material in these bushings is much softer than the bronze bushings supplied by Walcks, and as found in the original bushings. They appear to be steel backed babbitt and scratch very easily. In my opinion, the soft bushings will not have the long term durability that the original bushings had. I would not recommend using this particular bushing. end of review... Now, I think it is safe to say that the above review will help some of you folks out. It sure would have helped me. I wish I would have read something like this, and would have seen a photograph before I spent my time and money on these parts. It is also safe to say that I will still buy from Army Jeep Parts, as George has helped me with plenty of other parts, but here is one instance where knowing which part version a vendor carries would have been invaluable. Daniel Edited by uglyjeep - 18 Feb. 2011 at 1:11am |
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sean
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The title says it best: this would be a product review, not a vendor review.
I see no reason not to say where the part was obtained, and in some cases, it may be necessary for the "review" to serve its purpose. If you don't know either the brand/manufacturer, or vendor, then the review is essentially useless. If a vendor really cared about customer satisfaction, and return business, I would think they'd want to know about it. Sean
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hillbilly21
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WELL SEAN ...GET THE BALL ROLLING ON HERE...I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON IT.... VENDORS NAME ---- PRODUCT ---PROBLEM WITH ITEM !!!! PART NUMBER IF POSSIBLE |
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GaryArf
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Again, would this work in the "parts project" ? it seems to me allready designed for this.
I'm looking to be shot down here, give me the down side..
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trader_reed
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What if all posts in this new section had to be approved by a moderator? That way it could be worded correctly and diluted like everything else in America, God forbid we affend anyone. Edited by trader_reed - 18 Feb. 2011 at 8:06am |
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Scott R
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Think some people are missing the point of my post. I'm all for calling out bad vendors when necessary and don't give a rats behind about offending anybody. It's just that I believe if a product review is based on where it was bought rather than who made it is going to create confusion and not really help anybody.
For example; someone buys part X from Walck's. It doesn't fit so he comes on here writes a review to say part X from Walck's didn't fit. So guys that read the review go shopping for part X at Peter DeBella, Ron Fitzpatrick or whomever instead. But the problem is they sell the same stinkin part from the same stinkin manufacturer. In the mean time maybe Carl found another supplier and now has the better part. This would all be solved if the person putting up the review would take a minute, if he didn't know who manufactured the part to call Carl and tell him he wasn't happy with the part and is going to write a review on the 2A page. Then ask who the manufacturer is? If Carl declines then the member has no choice to say its a Walck's part. With a manufacturer name the rest of us can go shopping and no matter who we call can ask... "I need part X, can you tell me who the manufacturer is? I heard those are junk... No thank you." At the same time Carl now knows the part is bad and can investigate more and maybe keep an eye open for a different supplier. Edited by Scott R - 18 Feb. 2011 at 2:06pm |
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samcj2a
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No matter how a new group of topics were set up - either as a completely separate group of sub-forums organized as the Parts Project is or in some more integrated fashion. people will be posting stuff in the wrong place from time to time, so moderators will have to be moving posts from one thread to another from time to time. To Matt's point, above, moderators will also have to be cleaning up after us also when someone goes off on a tirade that goes too far, whatever that is, but I think that's not going to happen often. I think it is useful to respectfully cite issues with vendors' performances as well as issues with their parts. I do not think that reviews will be so inappropriate so often that the forum would need to be moderated in the sense of each post having to be reviewed before it is allowed to appear, but certainly some housekeeping will be necessary after the fact as it is now for the rest of the forum. Where's WFB? He hates too many rules as I do, I think. Edit: Scott - I did misunderstand your intent and do agree with the concepts you just posted. Edited by samcj2a - 18 Feb. 2011 at 1:57pm |
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sean
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I didn't.
The scenario you proposed is valid, but doesn't account for the other possibility: manufacturer and/or brand name unknown
A review of this part, omitting the vendor, would not serve the purpose of the review: to inform the buyer of which part to buy, and which to avoid. Sean |
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tony
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It seems you guys have had your answer earlier in this thread , all you have to do is ask...Seem like a man with experience, And his work shows it ,Humm and it not what he READS about its what he sees from on hands !!!!!!!!!
thanks Brian
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samcj2a
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As generous as Brian is with his information, I don't think that he will want all of us emailing him before we buy a part to see what he recommends or what his experience has been. I still think that a review section would be very worthwhile. I don't doubt that Brian would contribute some of his own ideas once a review section is up and running. It would be invaluable.
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tony
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Well, for each his own I guess. He has offered his help and IF I have a ? i think I will ask him as he has offered.. But from a man that has dealt with this repo junk for years it is easy to say, its all junk
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fritz
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for those of us that dont have your experience, you wont mind if the rest of us muddle our way through the learning curve, do you? as far as asking one man his own opinion, i think it is very gracious, exremely gracious, if not pre-mature. there is not a more patient sole alive that would answer every question for every part i need to yet purchase, that would at not some whits end, simply say, why not use the search function and see what others have said? or better yet, why dont you put together a section within the forum where you may indeed keep a library of opinions on parts?
Edited by fritz - 19 Feb. 2011 at 3:43am |
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