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NFIHans
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Hi, new member here. I just purchased a beautiful (almost too beautiful) cj2a that has high back bucket seats with a custom frame, and would like to go back to the more original low back seats. The rear wheel well has already been cut out to allow for a seat set a bit further back, so the hard work is done. My understanding is the cj3 has a bit more leg room with a slightly longer seat frame. Will this work and if I go that route what kind of difference could I expect in the mounting?
On a side note, I learned to drive with a cj2a starting at about 6 years old sitting on my dad's lap, finally graduating to actually driving it at about 10 with the aid of a couple of cushions behind me. There was plenty of leg room for me back then, but not so much 50 years later.
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oldtime
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2A , 3A and pre-1961 3B’s all use the basic same bolt mounting pattern.
3-A/B seat frames are same O/A length as a 2A. EDIT: Never really swapped them around but I believe they bolt up the same except that the 2A wheelhouse is 2” longer. On second thought I guess maybe the 2A bottoms are about 2” shorter. I’m only 5’7” so I easily fit the 2A seats yet slightly prefer the 3A/3B frames due to design. Edited by oldtime - 26 Oct. 2022 at 4:12pm |
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I have an M38 driver side seat frame (military equivalent to a CJ3A) in my 47 CJ2A. The outboard leg is a little longer than the frame for a CJ2A, and since your wheel houses are already cut this would allow the seat to sit back further. I haven't mounted a M38 passenger seat in a CJ2A but would expect one would need the wheel house to be notched. The wheel houses are not notched in my CJ2A I just drilled another hole for the longer leg and don't really find any issue with getting in or out of the Jeep.
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Oldpappy
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I bought my NOS M38 driver seat frame from QTM. They had a huge pile of them last year, and see they still have some listed in their Ebay store.
Lucky for me they are just an hour away so I was able to drive down to Georgia and pick one up. Shipping is more than the price of the seat frame. |
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Lee MN
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An M-38 drivers seat frame is different than a CJ3A, the front right mounting foot is completely different from a CJ3A. So keep in mind if you find standard CJ3A seat frames the fronts will bolt into the same holes as the 2A frame. Not so with the M-38 frame. Lee😉 |
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Lee is correct about the front right foot on the M38 frame. I had to drill new holes for both front feet. I have never owned a CJ3A and had wrongly assumed the seat frames they made for M38 and CJ3A were the same since they were coming down the line at the same time. It seems odd that they weren't.
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The M38 front floor is entirely different from all other flatfenders. Made that way for ease of “power pack” removal.
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I wish they had done that with the CJ2A as I am about to go through a "power pack" removal on mine to replace the transmission and transfer case.
It is good they used the same idea on CJ5.
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You and me both 😂 Lee |
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I am not able to help with seat frame question, because I have no clue but your "side note" caught my attention though. I have grandkids sitting in my lap these days, cruising the woods, and hope they learning to drive a '2A one day. WELCOME to the forum! In case you did not know . . we love photos here. We would love to see this (almost too beautiful) CJ2A.
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Thank you. What is the best way to share photos?
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go to the forum how to page. lots of info there.
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Let's see if I got the photos... My plan is to go back to the original type seats and wheels.
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Your brake & clutch pedals are reversed. The raised edge should be on the inside....
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Hopefully the wheelhouse was cut to accommodate the original seat frames, it would be a shame to have to cut into that beautiful jeep body. It looks very nice.
Is that a tilt front end?
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Looks like a tilt front end, but that is one beauty of a Jeep, looks mighty nice under the hood.
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NFIHans
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Yes, it's a tilt front end. The prior owner used Dzus fasteners , and it's going to have to stay like that, but I hope to find some that are a bit less obvious. The wheel house has been shortened so the extra length of the seat frame shouldn't be a problem. He did a very nice job with it.
I do seem to recall the pedals on the CJ2a I learned to drive on having the lip on the inside, so I'll have to see what is involved in switching them. The motor, transfer case, brakes, and pretty much every other component has been completely overhauled, the body is all original and rust free. It was in the family since the early 60's. I almost feel like I should get another that I don't feel so guilty about driving it, and one that I could enjoy restoring, but I have enough on my plate and the wife wouldn't be happy.
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Oldpappy
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Swapping the pedals is about a 30 minute job. Just remove the bolts, give them a twist and pull them out. There should be some "draft pads" with springs you will have to deal with but no big deal with that.
Very nice Jeep, even with the tilt front end modification.
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