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cal.bar
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Not sure about the pilot bushing as the jeep was over 10 years from a total redo when I got it and I didn't change the pilot bushing, clutch plate or main shaft. That pilot bushing has to be 10 years old or more. I have 1100 miles on the jeep so far and all of it on that bushing as well. I think if it were tight, it would have loosed up by now. |
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cal.bar
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Yeah, I know how to drive it now. Nice and SLOWLY. I give the clutch a 3 second count before going into first or rev. from a stop. No grinding.
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cal.bar
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Thanks Lee. Tell me more about the hub. Which part is it and how do you bend it during re-install? Can that be seen through the view hatch?
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flatfender47
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I think he's talking about the center splined hub in the clutch disc.
It can get bent while trying to reinstall the transmission shaft into the splines. You've reinstalled 4 times lately; depends on how aggressive you were pushing on the transmission while trying to get everything lined up and pushed forward.
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Lee MN
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Exactly!, the center hub is swedged into a piece of sheet metal that's what gets bent, in my case I was installing the engine and had the input shaft stabbed into the clutch disc, about then I had a phone call and the engine hoist drifted down and bent the hub making the disc wobble, the wobble causes the pressure plate to drag not allowing you to get into first gear... Also the same thing can happen if you pull the trans & engine together with longer bolts. Lee |
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cal.bar
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Interesting! Can that be visualized through the viewing hatch?
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Lee MN
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I do not think so, If I can find the bad disk I'll chuck it in my lathe and you can see the wobble. Lee |
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Bruce W
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I would say you are correct, it is normal. When the clutch is disengaged, all that spinning stuff wants to continue spinning. Inertia. Also, the clutch plate can easily still be touching the flywheel or pressure plate which will try to keep it turning, and even the air between the parts can act as a sort of "fluid coupling". It takes a bit for all this to coast down, and with first and reverse not synchronized, they will clash if you try to shift before they stop. As someone said, shift into second or third then into first or reverse, let the 2-3 synchro act as a brake. Or just slow down, enjoy the day, wait a bit, and shift in. BW
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cal.bar
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Yep. Driving my jeep is all about slowing down to a simpler time. 2-3 seconds to shift into first is just part of the experience.
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It's easy for some of us. It's the way we learned to drive. BW
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OK - post update update. Having more issues with the clutch. When the jeep is parked on a hill or offroad etc. Have a real issue with dragging. So much so that SOMETIMES even when I put it into second from a dead stop with the clutch all the way in, it makes a taka taka taka noise that is obviously the clutch plate still spinning. So even going into second won't stop the inertia of the clutch plate. This appears to be intermittent, but is a new thing just today.
I'm beginning to think I will have to go back in and replace the entire clutch plate and assembly. They were from the original referb over 10 years ago. I pulled everything apart a few months ago and everything looked good, but now I'm not sure that I didn't bend the splined hub of the clutch plate. Thoughts?
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flatfender47
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Probably should refresh all of our memories...
If you try to start the Jeep in gear, does it creep ?
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cal.bar
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Do you mean does it jump forward? Yes, sure does. The clutch is not slipping, just the opposite, it drags going into first. Most of the time, going into second before going back to first stops the spinning, but today it kept spinning even after going into second with the clutch pedal to the floor. |
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All I can think of is to check and double check all the external clutch linkage components for wear and/or proper adjustment.
Maybe a buddy underneath watching everything while the pedal is depressed and released (engine off). Is there anything to be gained while looking thru the bellhousing inspection cover while doing the same thing ? (engine off) Can you get a small mirror positioned for a looksie ? If nothing appears out of miss externally, then you know the answer..pull it out again. Trying to recall my 4 banger days.
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cal.bar
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Yep. sadly, wondering if I might have bent the hub or maybe put the clutch plate in backwards? Who knows. I really HATE taking the trans apart in this thing. This would be the FOURTH time in two years!
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while you are in there, check the end float on the engine crankshaft. Too much shifting forwards and the clutch won't totally release. None of these ideas are making you feel good, I know. John
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cal.bar
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How do I do that precisely John? |
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