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GaryArf
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Posted: 03 Dec. 2006 at 10:48am |
This is from the '45 parts list.
Notice how the 2nd and 3rd gear, Lever and Clutch assembly in the manuel isn't offset like the actual part.
Notice that the rod linkages are bent in the manuel, but the physical ones I have are straight untill the very end where they meet the Lever and Clutch assembly.
Could it be that the early '45 remote was different than the later remotes? Or is this another Pic that Willys had for maybe a PU or wagon and just used it in the '45 2a manuel?
These parts are from Jeep #34692 (column) and #18056 (linkage rods)
There is a cast # of 4050 on the clutch casting.
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Howard
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Gary,
On my 46 the rods are as yours. Not only that but they both connect to the shift clutch differently than the manual shows. At the end where the anti rattle clips are the rods are bent at a 90 degree and enter the linkage arms from the top down...not one from the top and one from the bottom as shown in the manuals. Most curious...the manual is clearly not showing the correct orientations. Clearly the parts lists are inaccurate here also and can only be used as reference. It should be noted that the '47 and '49 parts lists show the same configurations as the '45 version you picture here. The photos are probably applicable to another model vehicle as you suggest, someone else can probably clarify this for us.
Howard Edited by Howard - 03 Dec. 2006 at 12:54pm |
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sean
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Many of the manual illustrations & drawings are generic file photos.
That same photo is used for the 1940-42 models 440, 441 & 442 Americar. They were similar enough, that for purposes of pointing out parts, there was no need for a new photo/drawing. Sean |
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lowenuf
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with all of that said, it could be quite deceiving to the uneducated layman trying to re-install a tranny/shifter linkage, with only the manual for reference.. good 'ole Willys :) lol low
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45 #10033 ACM #47 45 #10163 ACM #188 57 CJ5 Dauntless V6, T-18 4-speed, D-44 rear/D-30 front, D-20 twin stick |
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bkreutz
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Manufacturers are still doing it today, gets really interesting looking at the parts pictures for Jaguar or Land Rover and trying to imagine what the part would look like for a left hand drive since all the pictures are for right hand drive (guess they figure the picture is close enough to order parts) can't remember how many wrong parts I've gotten because of this "generic" parts illustration concept. Makes life interesting though
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GaryArf
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I have looked at this stuff with Fred Coldwell's Book "Prepoduction Civlian Jeeps" 1944-45.
And there is alot of stuff that went into these manuals from some early drawings - proto type. Things were changed (air brushed out) without a new drawing after production started, and the parts No. stayed the same. They would say in the parts manuel (use Part NO. 63xxxx) on a superseded part.
I have one of those to discuss here now....
Looking at the two column shift Transmissions I have ( just got one from someone on the "G") And on the top inspection cover I have two different covers.. One has the top mounted expansion valve, from Jeep #18056.
The other ( with no pressure expantion valve) is from Jeep #34692.
I have a pic (or could quickly get, the tranny cover on the body that has a small "bump" that comes up in the same spot as this air breather) See the post..
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lowenuf
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well, that explains a lot Gary. My father-in-law has been saying to me ever since we moved forward to buy #31662 column shift, that the few column shifting 46's we have looked at since, several have had a small "bump" in the flat floor pan covers, so that would explain the clearance for the breather vent... very interesting..ty..mike
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GaryArf
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Mike,
That still begs the question.. Why no breather on #34692?
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sean
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Gary:
Up to s/n 24196, the transmission and transfer case oil sumps were segregated from one another, by a seal in the rear bearing adapter, riding on the main shaft spacer. Separate sumps required separate vents, one on each case. After 24196, the cases were cross-drilled for free oil circulation, and the seal was eliminated. With common oil & air, only one vent was needed. They eliminated the transmission vent, and kept the TC vent. CJ2A Side Shift Transmission Sean Edited by sean - 02 June 2010 at 6:39pm |
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lowenuf
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and hence the fact, the one we looked at a couple of weeks ago was 20XXX... thx Gary and Sean
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45 #10033 ACM #47 45 #10163 ACM #188 57 CJ5 Dauntless V6, T-18 4-speed, D-44 rear/D-30 front, D-20 twin stick |
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