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    Posted: 05 Oct. 2009 at 3:13pm
Tks.........Wink
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Charlie,
 
I will reserve a month for you. Now you HAVE to finish that Jeep! Carmen should understand.
 
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Hi Bill,
would be great if you could add a Slat Grill photo in your Calendar.
Tks for your reply !
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Charlie,
 
We will do a 2012 just for you! Seriously though, I'm pretty sure we will renew our license. Kevin and I have too much fun doing this to stop. As long as we don't lose money, we're happy.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CHARLIE JEEP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct. 2009 at 1:21am
Hi Bill,
I was reading this topic and all this "problems" you could have after 2012 !! Incredible thing.
I was in a hurry finishing my Slat Grill in Argentina, thinking that you maybe could use a good photo of my MB Slat Grill in October 2011 Calendar's page.
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Galen,
 
Actually, Chrysler itself isn't the Jeep police. They have a licensing firm that specializes in that stuff do the work. They have a big building on Broadway in NYC. I'm guessing that's a big part of the issue. That company has to support its expensive real estate and all their employees off this stuff.
 
I heard yesterday that they are idling the Toledo plant next week because of parts shortages from suppliers. Chrysler was concerned because the Wrtangler continues to be one of the company's best selling vehicles. Somebody should be concerned about promoting Jeeps! But, I guess they probably don't care about the old stuff.
 
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Originally posted by GalenHorton GalenHorton wrote:


 Last time I checked, I believe the Government owns a controlling interest in Chrysler . . . of the People, By the People . . . . so wouldn't that technically make it under our authority . . . an asset of the public?  Just my meandering 2 cents.
 
Not exactly correct, the UAW retiree healthcare fund was put to the top of the line (In front of the first line creditors BTW) and given 55%, Fiat SpA 20% to start with, with the option to increase to 35% "By hitting performance goals", the US treasury holds 10%.
 
I have no doubt that the 'government' is still pulling the strings and has no interest in promoting anything Jeep related....


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It's too bad that Chrysler is so proud of their Jeep trademark.  I would love to see a fire truck calendar based around Jeep fire trucks.
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Last time I checked, I believe the Government owns a controlling interest in Chrysler . . . of the People, By the People . . . . so wouldn't that technically make it under our authority . . . an asset of the public?  Just my meandering 2 cents.

Considering all they have on their plate right now, do they really have the time to hassle a fellow with a calendar sold mostly to enthusiasts who just kinda give Chrysler a reason for being?

I'm thinking out loud again, aren't I.

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Hey if anyone wants to  they can " not use" my likeness in a calendar for only $9.95. For only $19.95 I won't pose in a swimsuit. I can see this going places..
 
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What a racket!!........You gotta pay them to use pictures of their product and then pay them if you don't......sounds like a business to get into! Big smile
 
 
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Hi all,

 

I just want to clarify that we are doing a 2011 Jeep calendar as well as the fire truck. I simply wanted to make the point that there won’t be any fire Jeeps in the fire truck calendar. I’ve gotten a few e-mails from people thinking we weren’t doing Jeeps next year. Actually, we have to- Chrysler gives out licenses for two years and we are still under license for 2011. We would have to pay them a fee if we didn’t!

 

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You hit on it right at the end Allen......the judges!
 
If more of the mindless garbage was thrown out before it got to a jury that would help.
 
 
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Quote Lawyers have ruined this country
 
Scott..I used to think that. But really its the idiot juries that make these findings. If more citizens would just say not guilty or no damages should be awarded, the lawyers and AGs would see the uselessness of bring these cases to trial. Juries used to have (and still do) the abiltity to nulify laws or say improperly applied in certain cases. Judges giving instructions that juries must find such and such if certain criteria are met is a great miscarriage of justice. More juries should tell the powers that be to stick it!


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Scott,

 

I agree with you lawyers are a big problem, but corporate greed and making the shareholders happy with maximizing profit is another problem. Chrysler makes a ton of money off of us for virtually doing nothing. But, I can’t complain about it, because we keep putting up with it.

 

I do understand it to a point. They don’t want us selling something with a picture of a Jeep on it with 5 grill bars, or call a Ford Bronco a Jeep etc. Plus, our competition is limited because we have that license. Nobody else is willing to put up with this, so we have the market to ourselves. But, overall I think the amount of money they want is ridiculous. Their overhead is unbelievable with this whole thing. The number of people and departments that have to approve our calendar would blow your mind.

 

I did hear something on NPR awhile ago that the Pez company was trying to shut down a guy that opened his own Pez museum. This guy bought all the little contraptions himself and funded the whole thing himself. Their lawyers said he is not authorized to use the trademarked word Pez, so he has to close his doors. His downfall was putting up a 7 foot Pez outside that he made himself. Their licensing people did not approve it, so that was the straw that broke the camel’s back and they started pursuing shutting him down.

 

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Originally posted by Bill Norris Bill Norris wrote:

I honestly don't know how the military calendars get away with it. Unless the Chrysler police just have not caught up to them yet.
 
Bill, I think the key word there is Military. The way I understand it anything produced for the military the manufacturing company does not have licensing rights to.
 
It's not just Chrysler or the auto industry with licensing departments wound just a little too tight.
 
I fly R/C planes and in the last couple years have seen airplane manufactures like Cessna and Piper have been going after kit makers that produce models of their full scale versions for royalties. This basically has casued several kit makers to just drop lines completely. Same thing is happening in with plastic car modeling too.
 
I've also heard of individual modelers that have been threatended with lawsuits becasue with their own individual R/C plane they replicated the 'sponsor markings' of a particular full scale areobatic plane. Redbull being one that comes to mind.
 
How pitiful do you have to be to send a legal team after an individual that thought it would be cool to have your logo on the side of his toy? What happened to goodwill and being proud to have your name promoted for free? 
 
Lawyers have ruined this country.
 


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I honestly don't know how the military calendars get away with it. Unless the Chrysler police just have not caught up to them yet.
 
When we started out, I got permission from Jeep marketing to make the calendars- not the licensing dept. (I met the manager of merchandise marketing at a lcoal car show- great guy). Marketing loved the idea and wanted them for their dealers. Amazingly, marketing and licensing are totally disconnected and have no idea what each other is doing.
 
I started selling them on e-bay and the licensing people found out and got all over me. I'm guessing that is how they monitor stuff- cruising e-bay and other popular selling sights. Anyway, I showed them proof I got permission from marketing and that got them to back off for 2007. After that though, we had to get a license which is ungodly expensive.
 
The two areas have different criteria too as to what is acceptable. Marketing let us call is Classic JEEPS, licensing said no, it had to be Jeep Classics. Jeep had to be capital J and lower case eep. We wanted all caps like the old days. And, Jeep can't be plural. It can only be black lettering and a certain font. That cost us a fortune to fix in 2008 when we made some for Camp Jeep under marketing's direction, and then the rest for us under licensing's terms.
 
Talking about this, I'm now starting to wonder why we bother! Wacko All this grief and we barely break even. Kevin and I have a ton of fun doing it though!Thumbs Up
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Harriet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep. 2009 at 9:21am
I'll quote Terry here "Wow, are they that hard up? - I guess they must be!"

I know it's "their" trademark, but I find it amazing that they don't seem to want to celebrate it!
Amazing.
But then again, big business doesn't like small business anywhere.
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