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Willys Motors
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Actually, the BOM's do confirm more than one soft top fabric, and we haven't relied on the BOM's, we've used the LOPNS, Tabular listing of fabrics, and Parts lists also.
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What is the LOPNS?
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I presume you're referring to Slate Gray as the 2nd. fabric? If so let me rephrase:
"As far as I know, the BOMs do not specify 2 different soft top fabrics for pre-Slate Gray canvas, yet we have 2 confirmed." Both conform to the only BOM description I'm aware of (for OD canvas), yet they are distinctly different from one another. And there is a 3rd. (& potentially 4th.) "OD" canvas which does not conform to that BOM description.
Is there any documented date that can be associated w/Barcelona Red introduction? Sean |
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List Of Parts Numerical |
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Thanks! List Of Parts Numerical Sequence? |
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samples being sent today...
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just figured i'd put this out there....the fabric im using for my seatcovers came from a company that was replacing school bus seat covers...i got it all for free when they were swapping out the covers before school started....just a lead for those that want to get fabric (this company was from lynchburg va i think....photo shows the folded under no sunlight piece of fabric i have, school bus seat cover, another willys piece
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46 cj/06 lj/ and mb/2a/38 hybrid project
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Looks like a dye job and it would be pretty close to the right stuff, All4jpn.
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Willys Motors
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"I presume you're referring to Slate Gray as the 2nd. fabric? If so let me rephrase:
"As far as I know, the BOMs do not specify 2 different soft top fabrics for pre-Slate Gray canvas, yet we have 2 confirmed."
Both conform to the only BOM description I'm aware of (for OD canvas), yet they are distinctly different from one another.
You mean this undocumented second OD fabric for pre-Slate canvas?
And there is a 3rd. (& potentially 4th.) "OD" canvas which does not conform to that BOM description.
Is there any documented date that can be associated w/Barcelona Red introduction?
Barcelona Red was introduced at different times for different paint colors. Specific updates are on the post 9/15/47 versions of the BOM's since they radically changed formats.
As far as I know, these were the only CJ2A vinyl period. Note the backing could vary from Sateen to Broken twill. I suspect that "COLONIAL" was a class of texture, because I have observed that original military covers with this spec that may appear different than civilian.
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sean
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"Undocumented" would not be in the BOM . I'm referring to #663273. That is the only description I've heard of for soft-top canvas, though I didn't have the part number before.
Yet we have 3 different fabrics found on original soft-top parts. 2 of the 3 conform the BOM description, but are distinctly different from one another. The 3rd. does not conform to the BOM description. The #663272 listed above #663273 in your 1st. graphic, is the same as the #663272 listed in your 2nd. graphic: OD seat cover fabric. And that is another case of actual seat covers not conforming to the BOM. The early, short-back, OD rear seat covers are not made from either Sateen or Twill fabric, and do not have any artificial texture at all. They are a heavier, coarser, plain weave fabric, and the plastic coating simply shows the weave pattern. Given all the differences found in the wild, I don't believe Willys always adhered to the BOM. If the need arose, for whatever reason, they would have, and did, deviate from it. Sean
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That's an area where we'll have to agree to disagree.
The BOM's were a living document, and if the change isn't in the copy I have, it just means we're missing pages!
Edited by Willys Motors - 07 Dec. 2010 at 7:46pm |
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WOW! That would take a while to scan!
Do you have any idea how many copies are out there? Does that cover the entire production run? |
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I'm figuring one original typed on Onion Skin, 4 or 5 ammonia based blueprint copies, and 4 Xerox copies.
This is less than 1/25 of what's out there that I know of, and I've been negotiating trades for about 15 years to try to assemble a full set as reference. Maybe 'someday' I will be surprised and all the copies that are owed me will arrive...
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I'll buy that, and that's why I said that the BOMs can't be considered the "last word". If the data's incomplete, ya can't draw final conclusion. Sean
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Got mine, thank you! Sean
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i know, i am lagging behind, bare with me :)
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Uhh, no! But I will "bear" with you
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