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samcj2a
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Well, if your point is that there are shades of gray, green, and tan that are difficult to label as one or the other, I agree. The shade of upholstery in my DD is a tweener to me, though I guess I'd call it a gray. Who knows what the manufacturer calls it.
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Can I add one more thing??
We all agree that the material is some sort of Vinyl or similar or leather lookalike?
It's the texture that is possibly different.
What are the opinions here about the material itself no matter what the color is?
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jpet
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No point really except that I think I have found a pretty good match if someone is looking for fabric. The inside of the jeep has a tint similar to what you are calling olive when in dark light. In bright light it looks gray, Those pictures are taken outside on a cloudy day.
Whether it's called, olive, olive drab, gray, brown, or orange, I want my seats to look like that. |
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jpet
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No, My rear seat is similar to the other examples that are posted. In different light, it looks anything from gray, to brown and all shades in between. If one of the purposes of this thread is to come up with a modern day match, I'd say that if your sample starts up a debate on what color it is between, gray, olive, or olive drab, you have found your match |
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samcj2a
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to date, that i am aware of, Dave Pizzoferatto at www.odcloth.com sells the closest match, grain wise, to the original, not an exact match, but as close as has been found.....
i believe Keith had told me this, i am sure to be corrected if not the case..... Edited by lowenuf - 04 Dec. 2010 at 9:36pm |
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Bob W
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That's the center seat cover in my photo post on page 4. |
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Edited by jpet - 04 Dec. 2010 at 10:23pm |
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Bob W
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That belongs to my neighbor. |
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CJ2A #29110 "General Willys"
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Bob W
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I don't think so but if you just want to look I am sure that can be arranged. |
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My thoughts in this thread are 1: determine what is correct for 45, 46 and 47 jeeps. 2: to possibly obtain matching fabric/material or at least find a source for others.. 3: to send it to Jpet to have seats made. (Oh wait, I probably shouldn't have included number three..oh well too late. }
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jpet
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4. You restore my MB and I'll make you all the canvas products that you want! (oh wait, I probably shouldn't have .......oh well.) FWIW, I am sending SMS a sample of the leatherette binding for canvas tops. I will also send them a sample of the seat covers. They claim that they can make any fabric. Edited by jpet - 05 Dec. 2010 at 2:56pm |
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I looked back at my last email to the SMS people....seems my memory was off by $25 ayard on the surrey stuff... $125 a yard was what I was quoted. Where I got the $150 price from who knows..
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In prior discussions, we had sorta concluded that there were 2 distinctly different grain textures of "Gray" front covers. Same base fabric, medium weight drill/twill weave. Now with the photos jpet has posted, the same can be said for the early rear seat covers. His fabric appears to be medium drill/twill, "elephant hide" textured, just like most of the gray front seats. The OD covers I have are heavy weight plain weave, no added texture, just the weave pattern showing through the vinyl/plastic overcoat. Haven't seen Barcelona Red, or OD fronts fabrics first hand too see what they're made of. We could use more photos of the inner side of these fabrics. Sean
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Jim Marski was the last one to work with a vinyl supplier for the correct grain pattern for Surrey tops.They resurrected the dies and made rolls of fabric for him.
He also sent my original early 2A colonial grain rear seat covers to the manufacturer, and they said they didn't have the dies to reproduce it. I've actually seen the proper grain at Joann fabrics, but always the wrong weight or backing.
Our of the THOUSANDS of 'original' early CJ2A's I've seen, I can only confirm one or two with original covers, so let's not jump to conclusions...
The 1945 CJ2A canfield wrecker Marski sold to Daron Wanberg was one of them with original covers I believe.
"NOS" covers in Jeep parts boxes are not necessarily the same as the factory part.
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jpet
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Inside of my seat:
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sean
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That's the medium drill/twill weave. So definitely 2 different fabrics, and 2 different textures, used on the early rear seat. My 2 cents worth - consider these.
With 2 different fabrics, possibly from 2 different suppliers, Willys may have called them both "OD", but one is certainly "gray" in reality. Since these are all early short-back seats, both colors pre-date the purported first introduction of "Slate Gray" in 1947. Are they all original? Impossible to say; it can't be proven or disproven either way. What might be said:
It wouldn't be the first time the BOMs don't tell the whole story. As far as I know, the BOMs do not specify 2 different soft top fabrics, yet we have 2 confirmed. Sean
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