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Doodledad
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Posted: 28 Jan. 2019 at 9:04pm |
My TBI is based off of the GM TBI found on 87-95 GM Trucks. It uses a MAP,O2,CTS and ESC and on the TBI a IAC and TPS to regulate fuel and timing. The distributor was fitted with a Hall effect to advance the timing as needed. The set up works well. I’m not sure what kind of support you would be able to have with other factory take offs from foreign cars. There’s many people that can send you chips with the data you collect to dial-in a TBI on your L134. Very inexpensive and very easy to find parts for these fuel injection set ups.
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Greaser007
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I just read through this once again.
I like those Conrods for higher highway rpm. but I cannot afford them. And, I have been tossing around in my mind of using the throttle body off of an '89 Honda Civic engine and grafting it over to my L134 engine. I am just too busy with other projects to even look through the local Pick-n-Pull yard for a Donor vehicle with a Throttle-Body unit. Get this: Rochester makes the factory fuel injection for the 3.2L Isuzu V-6 multiport injection. So, that tells me that the individual auto mfr's do not make their own fuel injection, it is "sourced-out" to the major mfr's. I wonder who made the OZ unit that was shown on the thread start ? I am going to have to go snooping around the small autos for a throttle body and engine control system. :) The challenge may be to 'perfect' the location of the O2-sensor for proper sensing which will require a good analyzer to read fuel-air ratios and block temp sensor operation. Many things to adjust once the system is in place. oh, you were going to set your idle speed ? nope, the ecm controls it on most throttle bodies with a TPS. Did you digest your TPS report today ? hahaha you got the memo right ! Just teasing, but the more I delve into working on fuel injected auto engines, the are really pretty basic. The TPS (throttle position sensor) tells the ecm to hold the injector's open longer for acceleration with throttle butterfly open. All good stuff. Now, I need to get a handle on the newer O2 sensors which have a variable reading rather than a fixed reading. My brain is getting flooded with trying to digest so much information that is shared here on the forums, that I had better end this dissertation, and move on to another sector thread. There is one nice thing about fuel injection - Instant Start-up. Len |
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Doodledad
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I would LOVE to get my hands on a Willy Willy head.... just to set on the shelf!
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Ol' Unreliable
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Welcome to the page, beentheredonethat! Lots of us have been wondering for 4 years what's become of this project.
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There's a reason it's called Ol' Unreliable
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beentheredonethat
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Hello, New to the Forum and very interested in your build. Particularly the billet rods and forged pistons. I am unable to find a source in the states for these items. Currently I am looking for another Flat Fender project and have long toyed with the idea of coaxing a bit more power out of the L-head. I have been running around in these things since I was a kid in the 60's. Also, are you able to find the Willy Willy head or the Hickey head? Thanks
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47 Willys,Stage1 455, Indian 111
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Doodledad
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Just wondering what ever became of this project?
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mrlentle
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Is this still coming together or?
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micjen
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This is actual measurements of a L/F134 conrod minus the slot and designed for interference fit using the original pistons gudgeon pins and bearings. No more pinch bolt or designed in weakness. i am waiting on the actual set now.
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micjen
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I would be using a magnetic breaker type electronic ignition conversion on the existing dizzy. Fixed, then I would run it through the computer for advance purposes. For that matter don't even need a crank angle. The original dizzy will do.
Microtech (or Wolf 2D etc) which you will have ready access to in NZ will have the appropriate setup depending on what pieces you use. Throttle body injection doesn't rely on group or sequential fire unlike multipoint injection so keeps the sensors much simpler (and fuel pump setup also.!!) RPM (from coil) and manifold vacuum (load) plus a simple throttle position switch (on/off) is all that is required. Can get fancy and put in oxygen sensor, speed sensor and use 3D laptop programming but I don't think thats necessary. A good run up on a dyno using a knowledgeable person will give all that is needed to tune it. Or others simply raid the entire setup off an EA Falcon (which will be in profusion in NZ wrecking yards) with throttle body injection. Wiring, computer the lot. Don't need ignition control so makes it simpler. |
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mrlentle
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Exciting stuff Micjen. I'm especially interested in your injection set up. Being in NZ, we have a lot of the same junk yard stuff as you instead of the (American) GM bits used on peoples setups in the states. What dizzy etc are you planning on and will it trigger injection or are you fitting a crank angle sensor too?
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micjen
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Having torn down quite a few antique engines I would definitely drop the oil pan and clean the screen. Easy to do as well. Simply lever off the oil strainer cover and the mess will reveal itself. Both Jeep engines were very blocked in this area that I pulled apart. So much so I would suggest it be done within a short time of major engine work or prior to coming out of storage.
As usual anything can happen. However prior use of straight mineral oil does leave a deposit around the engine which will be removed with use of modern detergent oils. The question is how bad is it? Probably nothing to worry about. |
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PhillipM
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Sludge develops mainly from not running the engine enough to get the oil (not the coolant) hot. To get the oil temp up the engine needs to be run at least 20 minutes with a load. That will boil out all the corrosive condensates in the oil that eat up the engine and make the oil sludgy. I have observed several engines that were abused by short trips that had sludge build up as evidenced by milky deposits on the dipstick and sludge/carbon under the valve covers. All of these engines cleaned themselves up by changing the oil and driving them more miles per trip. I'd not lose one minute's sleep switching to detergent oil. At worst the sludge will break up and clog the intake screen which is a simple oil pan drop to clear. The key words in the above post were a piece of wire fell in the engine. It had nothing to do with detergent oil.
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"90% of all carburetor problems are electrical"
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micjen
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The conrods are available (2 month wait) from Murphys Motor Service. 573-696-3655 I will be getting the same made in Australia. Argo Conrods do the same here.
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Junkcarguy
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who makes the connecting rods you have shown
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Cj2a_ghost
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Very interesting read please keep updating
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micjen
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This is one item I am definitely placing inside my L134 engine. Improved conrods. They are not cheap at $1,200 a set but have a much higher red line than standard max is about 6,000 rpm. naturally everything else has to be upgraded to make use of it but the potential is there if built in.
Look at this bad boy. Nice piece of work. The original piston gudgeon pin is now a press fit rather than using a pinch bolt and slot right through the little end. |
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eestes1
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Ok, thanks!
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micjen
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Using detergent oil in an unrestored engine probably won't give problems 99% of the time. It depends on prior useage, oil change history, internal cleanliness etc.
Its basically a judgement call however I have seen what can happen if an engine was previously unserviced then bought by a new owner then subjected to regular maintenece again. An inspection on what can be got at easily such as the side cover and inside the sump should reveal the truth. Again 99% of the time there won't be an issue if previous service history has been fastidious. Its just one of those things can can happen. I had to figure out why a chev v6 had no oil pressure once. Every person the guy had been to had failed. I traced it to an oil change. The guy had used a cheap funnel with a wire screen. Sure enough one of the strands came off. The oil pump picked it up and it got stuck in the pressure relief valve. Many a time I came across engines with sludge so bad one could not see the tappets. basically just a groove where the crank runs and tappets move. yet they seemed full of oil. If in doubt take a look under the skin. Cheers, Michael |
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