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uglyjeep
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Posted: 16 May 2011 at 6:38pm |
I visited the local auto paint vendor, and looked at a color sample from dupont BS448 enamel and compared it with some original Normandy Blue painted part samples that I brought in off of our 1946 2A, and it looks like a very close match. I will most likely use that number when I order paint soon.
Daniel Edited by uglyjeep - 16 May 2011 at 6:39pm |
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Mike
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Sam,
I'll try to get my daughter to take some pictures and post them for me. She's the expert in that field. Give me a couple of days and I will see what I can do. Thanks you everyone for trying to help me out with the Normandy Blue. I do have some panels that the Harvest Tan showing where the replacement paint has chipped off, plus an original Harvard Red body which I will be getting rid of, if that helps anybody. I would have used it , but it needs floor pans. Mike |
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samcj2a
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That's interesting info. If you are able, it would be great if you were to post photos ( link to same) of the original wheel(s) and one painted with the Ford color. |
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Mike
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I have been told that Sunset Redis the same as a 1977 Ford color called Vista Orange. Its code 8G number44746K, in Dupont. I used it on my wheel and it looks idenical to the orginal Sunset Wheels that I have. Mike
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dlh714
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Sam,
I will be glad to check on this for you. I didn't check on that color, but there's a good chance they might be able to come up with a code. It may take a day or two, but I'll do my best. |
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russnj
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Here the page from the site with paint mixing percentages, I don't know of anyone who has used these before, but if anyone has please post.
http://www.thecj2apage.com/paint.html Russ |
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43 MB, 48 CJ2A, 50 CJ3A, 55 M38A1, 56 CJ5, 79 M151A2, M100 ,65 M416 |
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Jonesy
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This is the best source of color chips that I know of....
Enter the different years , to get other colors. There is no chip for Univ. Beige that I could find but there is a code, 40530
Alan, this site has the old Ditzler code for Emerald Green, 80364 I got a color swatch for Wake Ivory;
I believe that Wake Ivory is the proper color for wheels on a Emerald Green CJ2A; others may disagree. A PPG dealer (PPG owns Ditzler) may have a modern number that will be close enough for you. As you have probably figured out from this post, opinions vary and everybody has least one. Krylon "hunter green" is the closest off-the-shelf color to Emerald Green that I have found, but it is not as dark.
So far I have not found ANY code for Sunset Red, just references to "bright" and "pumpkin" , sorry.
Jonesy
PS the info I have found would indicate that Sunset Red and Autumn Yellow are the correct wheel colors for a Normandy Blue tub. Also have seen black referenced. If someone has evidence of another "correct" (available from the factory) wheel color, please speak up!
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samcj2a
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Thank you, Don.
I realize that you did not get the code for the Sunset Red, I believe, that is the redish orange that was one of the standard wheel colors that came with Normandy Blue, but I am wondering if the Dupont dealer you worked with had the ability to produce that color. It is hard to come by, but, in my case, it was the original color of my wheels so I'm interested in tracking down the code for that color.
With respect to that color, it is hard to judge by the eye what the color was on day one. My first CJ2A was Harvest Tan with that color wheels. Mine was 11 years old when I got it and the color then appeared to be roughly a medium to dark pumpkin color at the time, but it could have been badly faded even then. I've never seen a color chip and have seen many variations of the color more recently on restored Jeeps. From having seen the color back in the day, it is certainly more orange than red in my mind, but I do not know.
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I needing to get some Emerald green for my Jeep. Any help there would be appreciated.
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dlh714
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Sam,
The Dupont code for Normandy Blue in Centari enamel is BS448. They also gave me current codes for Luzon Red (RS496A) and Pasture Green (GS163A), in case those would be of any use to you. I got the Luzon Red number for my rims, since the stock wheel colors that went with Normandy Blue did not appeal to me at all. I saw a 46 2A with the Normandy Blue/Luzon Red combination and decided that looked much better. |
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Jonesy
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Beachwood gets their paint from a wholesale supplier that they claim "probably" was a supplier to Willys back in the day. I have the name in notes if somebody wants it, (they don't sell retail) but can't remember it at the moment. Maybe they still mix "by eye"
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CJ3A
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I have to chime in on Beachwood paint real quick. I purchased Normandy Blue and Wake Ivory from them two years ago. I sprayed it on and it was Normandy Purple and Wake Yellow!!!! I think their paint mixer was drunk that day. Man, it really pissed me off because I had to reshoot everything. In the end, they resent the proper colors, by now I have several layers of paint on mine.
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samcj2a
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Don,
I'd like to have the current Dupont code for Normandy Blue.
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dlh714
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Mike,
I'm getting ready to paint my 46 in Normandy Blue in Centari enamel. My Dupont automotive paint dealer got his old books out and was able to cross reference to the newer numbers until he got the paint code in Centari. If you're interested in this number I'll be glad to give it to you. Any Dupont dealer can work with the current number. |
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russnj
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I would check out the Army Jeep Restoration video, Dan from Beachwood does over 20 minutes on how the old paints were mixed and used. Of course he only goes into the military paints in the video but most of what he covers applies to the paint used on the 2a's. I'll try to give them a call tomorrow to see if they actual mix the paint on site or what. I might just have to order some goodies too. Just not ready for paint yet.
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sean
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Gary:
Who knows, the 15740 "Kurli Blue" may be very close to Normandy Blue. It might even be right on!. Only a comparison to real Normandy Blue will tell. Sean |
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GaryArf
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Sean, your work on "harvest tan" is a testimonial to getting it right to the "nth" degree. Most will not try for your level of "correct". That doesn't mean someone out there wants a truely "Normandy Blue" correct. They will have to follow in your research steps to get it truely as close as humanly possable. I would think that the 3A would be the better reseach vehicle for this color. your approch as far as exposure and UV rays was as close as can be done.
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sean
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The "concours" crowd would insist on the same type of paint: nitrocellulose lacquer, alkyd enamel, etc, whatever was originally used. I'm not one of them, but did want the correct color, and it was clear that modern "substitutes" didn't cut it. I'm no paint expert, but I did learn a lot while chasing down an accurate match to Harvest Tan. Much of what I heard is contrary to what's being said here now. I worked with a friend who owned an auto-body shop for 30 years. His bread and butter was collision repair, but he left that to the hired help, while he did all the old timer restorations. He was the go-to guy for paint jobs around here. Both he, and the PPG specialists in the "big city", told me the same thing. Paint colors don't change just because they're old. Oxidation & UV fade are surface phenomena, and a polish/buff will get rid of it, leaving the original color. I had actual pieces of Harvest Tan sheet metal from 3 different CJ2As. 2 matched each other perfectly, the 3rd was slightly darker, but w/in the range of variablity. I've also got paint chips from 3 different manufacturers: Sherwin-Williams, DuPont and Martin Senour. While there are very minute differences between the 3, all of the actual samples fell w/in the range of the chips. So I'm personally convinced that the colors of the 3 sample pieces are still quite accurate WRT fresh paint. On variability: paint is like many other products. There is an allowable tolerance in shade and tint, as specified by the original car maker. Car makers would use different suppliers at different times, depending on who could deliver the needed quantities w/in the needed time. And these paints are delivered by the tens of thousands of gallons at a time, enough to do thousands of cars. Usually delivered by railroad tank car! On Beachwood: they're certainly not a paint manufacturer, so they either contract with one of the major/minor manufacturers, or do their own in-house mixing using off-the-shelf primary colors. If they're simply using what the major manufacturers are calling for today, then it's the wrong color. If they've actually reformulated the correct colors in-house, then good for them, but they're keeping the formula secret. Until I see a sample of their Harvest Tan, I'll have to reserve judgment. On the color eye: when I took the sample pieces & current PPG Harvest Tan substitute in to the PPG dealer, they said they could get MUCH closer using the color eye, but it would likely still not be 100%. 1st. match attempt was $40 + raw paint cost. If it wasn't good enough, each successive hand-match attempt would cost $20 + raw paint cost. I was looking at $100-150 just to get it matched, then STILL have to buy the 2 gallons of final mix. That's why I chose to do it myself w/the help of my "go-to" auto body friend. Sean Edited by sean - 17 Jan. 2007 at 8:05pm |
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