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BlueJeep
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Posted: 22 Jan. 2007 at 7:18pm |
Anybody know if the OEM 16" wheels on a CJ2A will fit on a disc brake axle? I'm wanting to keep the original look, and upgrade to dana 44's with disc brakes for serviceability, reliability, and low cost of replacement parts. I'd really like it if the OEM wheels would clear the calipers, so I'm just seeing if anybody has any experience with this.
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1948 CJ 2A (#201070) stock
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F Bill
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THe man to ask would be Bob N over on the G-503 board. He converted his MB to disc brakes.. I think he ended up using spoke wheels......but he might know about the discs with stock non combat rims...
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BlueJeep
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I had a chance tonight to test fit a wheel on a ford dana 44 with disc brakes and the wheel cleared the caliper by about 3/8". I plan on running chevy calipers with ford hubs, so I'll still have to confirm that it will fit that setup but at least now I'm hopeful.
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rocnroll
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I'm using Corvette calipers and they clear, but mine is kind of a custom installation and the wheels are stock centers on seven inch rims but that shouldn't change the wheel/caliper relationship.
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BlueJeep
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More info about the stock centers in 7" wheels please. Was this a big job? What were the wheels off of? Thanks.
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1948 CJ 2A (#201070) stock
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rocnroll
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I just cut the rivets, separated the center from the rims (shells is actually the correct 'wheel terminology' for rims, I learned during this procedure) and sent them off to a wheel company (whose name escapes me at the moment) where they installed my centers on brand new 16x7" shells.
It is not a cheap operation as they weld them instead of re-riveting them. Find a reputable company that knows what they are doing as the welding process will have a certain amount of distortion that will have to be taken into consideration for them to be true and straight.
Again, a nice set of aftermarket wheels can be bought for what this will cost.
And one company I will not hesitate to tell you DO NOT use is Stockton Wheel.......one of California's oldest and most written about wheel companies.......They did the first set for me and I could have had TWO sets of aftermarket wheels for what they charged when it was all said and done AND I would have been pleased, which I STILL wasn't when I finally quit fooling with them.......Don't really know how they stayed in business all these years if they treated the rest of their customers like they did me.
The last set was a place in New Jersey I believe, I'll see if I can find the name.
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BlueJeep
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I already called Stockton to see if a 16 x 4.5" wheel was available, and if so what would they cost. $130 each is what I was quoted...... which is about $80 each more than I was looking to spend.
Now I know why I see so many with 15 x 8 white spoke wheels. |
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rocnroll
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Check out the wheels on my post in the Jeep Stories section.
Those are the ones I had Stockton build me. They are 7" rims on stock centers but I had them reversed (offset to the outside) they look wider but are actually just 7"
I've got an identical set ( well no, I take that back, this set all four of them are true unlike the Stockton set) that I had built on this side of the Mississippi........can we say.....cheaper?
I'm really surprised they quoted you a price for 4.5" wheels I wouldn't think they would have them........just curious, why were you wanting to buy narrow wheels from a custom wheel place when they are available from Omix-Ada, different offset or something?
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BlueJeep
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I'll have to check out those wheels.
I was just trying to see what is available. The Omix-ada ones appear to be $100 each, and every aftermarket steel wheel I've ever purchased has been $50 each or less. I was going on the "there must be a cheaper alternative" mentality, which doesn't appear to work with parts for the Willys. I'm trying to keep the factory appearance with the Jeep, while upgrading axles with easier to find parts (dana 44), safer to drive (disc brakes), and reliable (TBI 4.3 V6 with SM465 4 speed transmission). I picked up some take-off 7.00 x 16 NDT's for it as well. |
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rocnroll
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You should be alright with the stock 16s although you never know without trying one on for fitament. The caliper is the determining factor......and it depends on what you use to convert them. I think most go the GM or late model jeep route.
I think where most get into trouble is trying to use stock (Willys)15s which won't work with calipers.....seems the extra 1/2" clears the caliper in most cases......a true example of "an inch is good as a mile" (a half inch in this case.
Trial fitting is still the only way I would commit to them though. I had to specially fit my Corvetter calipers to clear the wheel and I think they are a little bigger than the GM truck calipers everybody seems to use.
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rocnroll
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BlueJeep here's you one and he's also selling another.
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BlueJeep
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Thanks. I put it on my watch list.
I did do a trial fit on a ford dana 44 and it does clear the caliper by 1/4". Now to just put together my front dana 44 with Chevy calipers and ford hub/rotors to see if it will clear the GM caliper. I prefer the GM style caliper and mount, but could switch to Ford outers if that's what I need to do to get it to work. Good discussions... |
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rocnroll
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And remember you can grind a little off the caliper with a sidegrinder if you need a little more clearance.
I though every body did that GM caliper swap with jeep rotors and hubs....no? Edited by rocnroll - 03 Feb. 2007 at 3:38pm |
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BlueJeep
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Update:
I mocked up my front axle, which is a 1979 Jeep Wagoneer axle (originally a 6 lug pattern) with early Chevy small bearing spindles, stock Waggy brakes, and F150 hubs and rotors. The wheel center rubs ever so slightly on the outside tabs of the calipers, not enough to prevent the wheel from turning. A small amount of grinding on the caliper would likely give it enough clearance to turn without interference. I will wait until I install new calipers and pads to make a final determination on how much clearance it has, but this swap looks like it is possible with either a small amount of caliper clearancing or a 1/4" wheel spacer. |
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1948 CJ 2A (#201070) stock
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