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Overland
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Hello all,
I'm attempting to rebuild my MC I've got the rebuild kit and I removed the fitting and bolt on the front, retaining kit and stop plate on the rear. My next question is, how do I remove the piston and everything beyond? Here is the front of the MC, it looks like the piston head is all the way against the front, not sure if it's supposed to be like this. I can move it with a thin dowel, but it's difficult. Here is the view from the back of the MC It's a bit difficult to see in the photo but the wall sides are rusty. Do I need to hone this? (+) Separate issue I'm attempting to remove my old fuel pump and it's proving infuriating. I don't have a pic of the old on one the block, but here's the new one for reference. Where the black arrow is, on the old one, that metal dowel or tab or whatever is sticking out (not flush like the picture) so I can't get a socket wrench onto the bolt. The leading bolt (one toward front of vehicle) holding the fuel pump on actually looks like a stud to me. I'm close to cutting the whole old fuel pump off haha I'm that frustrated. This is the only thing holding me up from running! Any tips or tricks would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. |
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WeeWilly
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If that master cyl. bore is rusted and pitted you would be better off to purchase a new master cyl. or bore it out and sleeve it. I have more time than brains or money so I bored mine and sleeved it with a stainless sleeve.
Is there a way to drive or force the pin back in? Or maybe use a thin universal socket, the kind that the socket and joint are made together, it might fit past that pin. Jim |
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Joe DeYoung
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2X what Jim said !!
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Joe DeYoung
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Overland
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Well I was able to rebuild the MC. I was confused on how it worked bc the piston was stuck in the shaft, wouldn't even move. I took a dowel rod through the front of the MC and pounded everything out.
Then I cleaned it up w/ a wire brush, air, and cleaner. Rebuilt it, now it appears to be working fine, I can hear the suction. Hopefully once I finish up the brakes this MC will be as good as new. As for the fuel pump Still haven't gotten it. I tried pushing the pin back with a screwdriver, to no avail. I tried for a bit to cut a slot in it with a hacksaw, but it's really awkward so it's going to take a bit unless I come up with a better idea. |
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autolite
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Are you using a 1/4 drive socket set to get the bolt out ? 1/2 drive is too large to get the inner bolt you are trying to remove even if the pin is not sticking out.
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Overland
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I have the 1/4" drive with the flexible head. Still haven't gotten it, keep trying.
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It's a bugger with the fuel pump bolt. 2 things: I have personally sacrificed a socket by grinding it down so it is much thinner to fit past your obstruction or I had to get at it with a wrench from underneath to engage the sides of the bolt. You may need to sacrifice a wrench by grinding it to fit. It is then a matter of multiple little turns to go from one flat surface to the next.
Don't break it off cuz if it's an original it can be rebuilt and you don't want the bastard to win! |
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TERRY
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If the pin has backed out far enough to come out of the hole on the other end, it will be very difficult to get it aligned to the hole because it is being pushed by the pump lever and a spring.
With one bolt out, will the pump rotate clockwise to remove some pressure on the pin and maybe give more access? |
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Jeff_Davis
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Your MC still appears to be pitted. It may work just fine, or , it may start leaving you little presents on the floor of your garage...
I have had good luck re-sleeving the MC with brass. Brass never rusts, and they seem to last forever after this is done. Very good for vehicles that sit around a lot between use... I use an outfit up in NY, called Apple Hydraulics. Costs about $100 for a Jeep MC. It will be the last time you will need to mess with the MC! You can search Google to find them. Good people. Jeff |
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If the fuel pump pivot pin has moved out from that hole enough to be in the way, chances are it is out of its hole on the other side, and mis-aligned so that you can't push it back in. Maybe you can get ahold of it with pliers (it's hardened and will be hard to grip) and pull it the rest of the way out. BW
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It is NOT a Jeep Willys! It is a Willys jeep.
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Can you get to the other side of the pin and use a punch to push it out?
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If and/or when you get the fuel pump out replace the mounting bolts with Allen head cap screws so next time it's easy to get out.
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Overland
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Thanks to all.
I haven't tried the fuel pump in a few days, recharging mentally I guess haha. I've been working on the brake system. For those of you that sleeved your MCs, how much did you take off? Or I guess how thick is the wall of the sleeve. I'm assuming you can do the same for your wheel cylinders. Another quick side question, what is the material that goes around the brake line and under the brake line clips? http://www.kaiserwillys.com/metal-brake-line-to-body-and-frame-clip-kit-fits-41-71-mb-gpw-cj-2a-3a-3b-5-m38-m38a1 Thanks. -Dave
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WeeWilly
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I made my sleeves around .030 wall thickness. I didn't sleeve the wheel cyls. but did make brass pistons with stainless stems (rear) for them. The insulation on the break lines are 1/4" old style wire loom. I bought the loom at Snyder's Antique Auto Parts.
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I'm not exactly a stickler for what's proper, but for this I cut up an old t-shirt. |
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Overland
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Wee,
Did you just drill holes in the sleeve where the ports from the MC reservoir are? Thanks. Dave
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WeeWilly
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Yes, after the sleeve was pressed in and bored I drilled the 2 holes. I did mine a few years ago and have had no problems at all with my brakes. Also used Dot 5 brake fluid. If I were to do another one I would use brass instead of stainless, lot easier to work with. I also coated the sleeve with Red loc tite before installing it.
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Overland
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Update on the fuel pump for those that care.
Eventually I just wanted to power through this, so I took a drill bit and figured I'd drill through the alignment pin on the fuel pump. After a little bit of drilling I was able to get a flathead in there and pry the alignment pin 1/4" in, allowing the socket to get in there. Got the old fuel pump off, w/ little damage, new one in. Thanks to all! |
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