Omix Sector Shaft Safety Warning Fellows!!!!!!! |
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Joe Friday
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I contacted both Rock Auto and Summit Racing to notify them they should contact OMIX for a new picture of the part they stock. The picture shows the 2 piece design.
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Rick Cline
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I received a
personal PM from Omix about my broken sector shaft this morning. I responded
back and I'll see where it goes from here.
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Joe Friday
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"As you know this part is a replacement for what is generally considered a weak component in the original Ross steering box."
I don't agree with this statement. The failure mode is not even remotely similar to the 'weak points' in the original ross design. Hopefully they will change their tune when they learn these are original wheels and tire size similar to original equipment. Not to mention incredibly low miles.
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SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A
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The failures I have seen over the years are mostly cracks in the cover radiating from the adjusting screw hole...hardly relates to the sector failure.
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Red Willy
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I have had two emails with the Customer Service Manager. I explained that mine was restored to stock and had a little over 7K on it since the restore in 2012. I also stated that the overall feeling was the method of production was the cause for failure. At least they are getting involved and hopefully they will come up with a solution and contact all that have purchased the "bad batch".
Tamnalan, I did not start my jeep at all while being towed back to camp. In fact I rode with Ray from the gas station at the Reservoir all the way back to Mikes.
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bretto
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"Given how customers build and run their rigs these days we are hesitant to speculate without further investigation what contributed to these problems."
Whats that suppose to mean? This is mainly a hobby if you cut right to it. If it wasn't for people enjoying their hobby and buying parts for their Jeep, they'd wouldn't be around. I don't know, maybe I'm reading into their statement the wrong way. |
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RICKG
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I'd say the letter was written by their lawyers, let's give it a chance to work out. Funny that both failures we've seen are on bone stuck jeeps with meticulous maintenance.
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I'm 62years old and bought my first CJ2A when I was 13. I've never seen a sector fail. Wear on the worm contact points yes. These particular suspect repops are simply not made to industry standard and are a real hazard to our friends. What we want is a safety recall on the suspect sectors------------RIGHT NOW! I could care less about how much money the lawyers think they could make. Spread the word fellows! John
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gmcjr
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Exactly!!!! Bone stock, NOT ABUSED jeeps. |
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rocnroll
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Exactly what I was saying one page back in the discussion.....reading between the lines it's going to mean, in a nutshell, 'these are off road vehicles and are used in way as to subject our parts to conditions we aren't responsible for'.
I'm not saying that's how I feel just that the hobby (sadly) is going to project that feeling in litigation.... |
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SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A
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What Bretto said!!! X2!!! I think that what contributed to the problem was sub-par manufacturing and engineering processes. The original part built by Ross was a one piece forging. There are some sectors out there that are still operating that are 70 years old. Someone said "We can build it cheaper by making it a two piece design and welding the backside of it." ...and that is what happened somewhere overseas... Edited by SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A - 11 Oct. 2016 at 12:26am |
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gmcjr
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I don't have a dog on this fight, except this type of failure can cost lives. I learned my lesson awhile back about Omix's "replacement" parts...... I personally saw the broken shafts myself, and I can positively state that the individuals in question, after spending THOUSANDS of dollars in restoration are not going to abuse them. But my advice to Omix would be to pay heed to what is being said, because the folks on the forums where this issue was brought to light are the backbone of their business. If it is handled in a positive manner, they would secure more customers and possibly win customers back, but any perceived attempt at blame shift could be very detrimental to their reputation.
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a4cj2a77
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So to be on the safe side,I pulled the cover on my steering box and found the name "Wat" on my sector shaft. One piece design, so no issues until I noticed the pins that contact the steering shaft are worn more than my original sector shaft. I bought the repair kit from Walcks 12/14 (kit# 805123) and have 1157 miles since I finished my 2a. Took a punch to one of the pins and easily marked it. Tried the same thing on my original shaft and knocked the point off my punch. Durangotang Identified the same issue on his vehicle. I will be calling Walcks Monday to see if I can get any help from them. They have been fair with me in past transactions!
Phil
Flat spot Shaft on left and the pin to the rt is where I marked it with a punch on the photo below. The right shaft is my original |
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pjensen641
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Good catch! My T90 cluster gear shaft was also dead soft from them. I suggest anyone that buys replacement parts that have bearing surfaces check the part for hardness with a center punch. Its not an accurate assessment, but its a quick and dirty way to see if anything has been hardened.
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a4cj2a77
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Called Walcks and talked to Carl. He was very helpful and will be sending me a new shaft. I still debate whether to use my original shaft as it is in pretty good shape. My thought at the time was to take any play out that I could. Knowing what I know now, the original maybe a safer bet. At minimum I will have a backup
Phil
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LesBerg
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Fortunately, I think the only OMIX parts I have are the shifter boots. Not that they're made any better. They've been in less than a year and the transfer case boot is checked and torn.I won't buy parts from any of the OMIX-related brands. FYI, if you're doing an engine rebuild, you can source Melling oil pumps and Sealed Power pistons, and other legitimate brands from O'Reilly Auto:http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/search.oap?keyword=piston&year=1948&make=Jeep&model=Willys&vi=1420872
I am pleased to hear that Crown seems to be a reputable brand. I'm also glad to hear that so far no one has been hurt by these failures. Have these failures been reported to the Consumer Products Safety Commission? At their following website, there is a tab halfway down the right side of the page to "Report an Unsafe Product" |
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Roger F
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I found this thread this morning. Going over the entire discussion, most of the failures are from newer parts from restoration. It is now obvious that I should inspect the sector shaft. My Jeep is in good condition and I am not planning a major restoration. My question is this:
If my sector shaft appears to be original and no scoring, is it recommended that I still replace it? do the seals come with it as a kit, or are they sold separately? Thanks,
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Roger F
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LesBerg
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Roger,
I would base steering repairs on the amount of slop in the box and what's causing it. I kept my factory sector shaft. I had a lot of slop on the output shaft, but the issue was failed bushings. The housing bores were still good, so all I had to do was install new bushings for the sector shaft. That was all my box needed. As long the dimension of the shaft isn't noticeably different comparing the area where it rides in the bushings and where it doesn't you should be able to dress the scoring with crocus cloth. I'd also check the 'nubbins' that ride in the worm gear for wear. A competent machine shop may be able to weld and re-harden the nubbins, possibly turn and re-harden the shaft and make custom bushings. I have no idea what it would cost, but it would certainly be safer than playing Russian Roulette with off-shore parts. Just my opinion. If yours is bad, it may just be easiest to source a good used original as a replacement.
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