Vintage Willys @ The Rubicon Trail 2018 - Event Date: 29 July 2018 - 02 Aug. 2018

I would be in as a rider for 2020, if a seat is open.  Help move rocks.  :)

How about 2020??

Exactly one year ago from today,   Kyle and I were in the truck headed to Jpet's house.   The first leg in a long journey across the country.

As much as I would love to do again,  . .  It is very unlikely I would attempt that almost 6000 mile round trip in 2019  (2 years in a row).

Ol' Unreliable wrote: JeepFever wrote: I went to all the expense and time to install a locker for this trip,  and may have not got any benefit. So maybe you don't really need it?

I have very rarely ever needed to stack rocks for myself. I can usually see another line and do fine. There is a friend I have had to stack rocks for. He is new at this. We were out a few years ago a week after the EJS and at some of the obsticles there was rocks scattered everywhere. Those people can really chew up a trail. As far as removing rocks, those things have been around a lot longer than we have and eventually they will all be in a different place.

jpet wrote: Bridog wrote: . ...Some people (including me) would agree that if moving a couple rocks gets you up an obstacle then you had a successful climb. Some may think you can fill holes in with a couple hundred pounds of rocks and still call it a successful climb, and most everybody else is somewhere in between. And it may even change depending on what modifications have been made to the vehicle on the obstacle. Now if an obstacle stands in the way of enjoying the rest of the trail, body damage is likely and unacceptable, trying to limp a broken rig back, a driver feels uncomfortable about the obstacle, etc. then start stacking.... That's kinda where I'm at. I assume it was the Jeep Jamboree guys before us who put the rocks there to begin with. The object is to have fun and "feel the win" so if you can stack rocks and feel the win, then great. We were close to getting through the soup bowl but with the amount of rocks we were stacking, the win would have felt diminished ... that and I was feeling sorry for Bob and Stan lifting all those heavy rocks while I sat in the jeep ... even though they can thank me and BAM BAM for their new muscles

You guys need to keep score on the Rubicon. 

jpet wrote: I think the rule for "rock stacking" is that it is legal so long as they were put there by the guy before you?

The only general etiquette “rock stacking” rule I am familiar with is to leave the obstacle as you found it. This is true whether you made the obstacle easier or harder by moving rocks. Oh yeah, and it also includes trees. Do not run over them as they are much more difficult to put back than rocks are!

After that I think it is dependent upon the individual and the circumstances.

Some people (including me) would agree that if moving a couple rocks gets you up an obstacle then you had a successful climb. Some may think you can fill holes in with a couple hundred pounds of rocks and still call it a successful climb, and most everybody else is somewhere in between. And it may even change depending on what modifications have been made to the vehicle on the obstacle.

Now if an obstacle stands in the way of enjoying the rest of the trail, body damage is likely and unacceptable, trying to limp a broken rig back, a driver feels uncomfortable about the obstacle, etc. then start stacking.

Conquering most difficult trails with anything other than huge rigs or buggies usually requires some rock stacking. Our opinions on how much is allowed is going to vary, but I cannot remember wheeling with anybody who is unwilling to help stack rocks to help a friend up an obstacle.