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    Posted: 24 May 2018 at 4:57am
Hey Ben.. jump back across the hi-way and check out IMP's latest offering-now that's a crewcab!
I never met a mule I didn't like!
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Awesome!!!
When you said 6 cyl with a 4 barrel and power steering conversion that’s the pickup I instantly thought of. 

Great looking pickup!
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   Ben,
Well I see I did not have any luck attaching a photo of my '77 Ford Crewcab.

   I have not been driving it much and have often thought of repowering to a larger engine like a 429 / 460, but I have been too busy working on repurposing other junk.   I read where you mentioned you are always working on Junk.
   Me too ......... constantly .... maybe it is the challenge of "cracking-the-safe" idea.   
   Hey, restoring the old crewcabs IS worth every minute of attention. I have not been active on the "oldfordcrewcabs" either.
   And I am glad you remember those photos I posted 15-years ago ?
The photos and how-to data files are still there, unless Yahoo has done-away with their Groups aince being sold.

   I was just looking at my front driveline, which is a stock driveline out of a '73 Ford F-150 4x4. The length was perfect for my Dana 60 front axle swap, but I should remove the driveline and clearance the yokes more to eliminate Bind with suspension full-droop. There is not much clearance before bind.

   I installed brand new window channels and horiz. felts and weatherstrips and sliding rear window, all from JCWhitney in 1998, and with keeping the pickup stored inside, the rubbers are still like brand new today.
   The little 300 inline six engine is a bunch small for a pickup of this weight, but with the 4-bbl Holley carb it holds its own pulling a trailer, but just not as fast up the hills as a big-block.

   Years ago, I had the spider-gear Pin come loose in a Dana 44 in the rear of a '71 International Travelall, and it locked-up the rear-end just like what happened to your pickup.

The '66 Ford Crew-Cab that I sold to the guy up in Salem, Oregon, has been painted fire-engine Red, and I don't think he is finished with it.

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After driving on slick roads yesterday I wanted to say thanks for the advice and pointers guys. 
On slick roads you definitely have to pay attention to not go sideways, and I hadn’t even thought of breaking traction in a turn when off the throttle, so that was a good thing to know. 
 
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That mud truck sounds awesome!



97 crewcab with a Cummins would be cool. 
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Originally posted by SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A wrote:

....Yes, the Trak-Lok will make a difference off road in that both tires on that axle will have traction until they both get to the limit of the tire, then they will both spin. Because of this, you may not need the four wheel drive as much as you would under normal circumstances.

However, because both tires will be able to turn under power when you break traction, you need to be very careful on slick pavement or icy conditions. The tendency is for the axle to slide sideways under power so you need to apply power very gently. It will take some getting used to on ice. In soft ground or mud the T/L works great. I wouldn't recommend T/L for both axles used on the highway where you could encounter ice. You will go sideways....

A TracLoc will also try to scrub tires when coasting around corners on slippery surfaces, so even when you aren't on the throttle they can be dicey on ice.  Too late for you Ben, but a TrueTrac is a better choice for winter use.  It doesn't scrub tires so you don't lose stability unless you are on the gas.  Also doesn't have friction clutches to wear out.

Sure like that crew cab though!  I've got a '97 F-250 crew cab short box with a 460.  Thinking about a Cummins for it.
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Nice looking truck.

Well, in 600 miles the Trak-Lok will have been broken in...unless you drove 600 miles without making a turn...LOL.

T/L disks will eventually wear enough to need replacement. You will know when that happens when the axle starts acting like a regular open diffy.
No harm will happen if you drive it that way, it just won't have the limited slip feature. You should get somewhere between 50K to 100K miles or more depending on how much turning driving you do and and how tight the turns are. The disks are not a real big deal to change and can even be changed without dropping the diffy out of the axle if you have the right tools, but it is much easier to do it on a bench. Replacement disk packs are available without having to buy a new diffy case, but do remember to add fresh T/L friction modifier.

Yes, the Trak-Lok will make a difference off road in that both tires on that axle will have traction until they both get to the limit of the tire, then they will both spin. Because of this, you may not need the four wheel drive as much as you would under normal circumstances.

However, because both tires will be able to turn under power when you break traction, you need to be very careful on slick pavement or icy conditions. The tendency is for the axle to slide sideways under power so you need to apply power very gently. It will take some getting used to on ice. In soft ground or mud the T/L works great. I wouldn't recommend T/L for both axles used on the highway where you could encounter ice. You will go sideways...

In fact, I raced in the mud for three years using T/L's both front and rear, but that truck was a dedicated mud racer (46 Ford truck body on a 76 Ford F-250 chassis cut to fit the 46 Ford wheel base. 427 Ford with a racing C6 tranny and NP205 TC, Model 60 Dana axles front and rear. 40" tires for one class and rice and cane tires for the other class I raced in. No wheel brakes, only a disc brake mounted to the rear pinion flange. Did I mention Nitrous?) (named the truck "Blue Mule") Cost a bundle to maintain, had to quit. But I was a kid then and it was a way to spend money I didn't really have. I sold the whole rig to an guy who wanted just the motor for his Mustang fastback. Not sure what he did with the rest of the truck.

I've got some money now, but, alas, I'm no longer a kid.



Edited by SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A - 19 Feb. 2018 at 1:29am
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Some quick interior shots. 






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Thanks 
They did mention the friction modifier. 
They didn’t say anything about breaking in the trak-lok. 

What kind of service life should I see out of the trak-lok as far as the clutch disks? Wondering if they wear out quickly?

Will it handle differently on slick roads?

Thanks for your thoughts and experience. 
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Well the figure eights are for a Trak-Lok break in. A pattern check for the ring and pinion is another matter. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do to satisfy the guys warranty requirements.

In my shop I had factory tooling to set the pinion depth and that eliminated a bunch of guess work. Once I had the pinion depth set, the differential case shimming was pretty easy and I got good patterns on new gearsets in about 20 minutes of build time. If the pattern looked good, put the cover on and fill with oil and let the customer have it.

The Trac-Lok did take a friction modifier that an open diffy didn't need.

If your gear man wants to peel the cover off to look at the pattern after six hundred miles, I'd let him for warranty reasons.

If it was set up properly, the pattern will not change in six hundred miles, or six thousand miles for that matter...or even sixty thousand miles...
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Originally posted by SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A wrote:

While there is a break in on the Dana Trac-Lok, the instructions I gave my customers was to go to a parking lot that was empty and do about three dozen wide figure eights on the pavement. Voila! You are broke in...

I installed dozens of Trac-Loks in the 18 years I owned my shop and never heard of a 600 mile break in, but I have heard of the figure eight break in discussed by a Dana-Spicer engineering rep.

Thanks very much for this information. 
I’ve put about 300 miles on it. 
If it’s still a good idea I will definitely do the figure eights??

I thought 600 miles sounded like a lot, but they said they wanted to inspect the gear pattern after 600 miles and if I didn’t follow these  instructions it would void there warranty on the install. 
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While the crewcab was at the diesel shop I had them install my new hybrid turbo Big smile

It’s upgraded from a 50 to a 60 compressor wheel. Which should help with egts as it will push a lot more air. 

Oh if you don’t like the sound of turbo whistle this upgrade ain’t for you!
It sounds like a 747 at take off when it’s spooling upBig smile

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While there is a break in on the Dana Trac-Lok, the instructions I gave my customers was to go to a parking lot that was empty and do about three dozen wide figure eights on the pavement. Voila! You are broke in...

I installed dozens of Trac-Loks in the 18 years I owned my shop and never heard of a 600 mile break in, but I have heard of the figure eight break in discussed by a Dana-Spicer engineering rep.
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As you May have seen in my wagoneering thread  I pulled my gutter trailer with the Wagoneer but instantly realized that was not a good idea as the trailer is too much for the Wagoneer. 

 My dad loaned me his 94 Dodge to pull my trailer with for two weeks while the crew cab was in the shop. 

 What I didn’t realize is after the rear end was back together on the crew cab they said I couldn’t pull my trailer for 600 miles as there’s a break in period On the differential gears!!!
 Which is a bummer because I’m busy with work and without being able to pull my trailer there’s no reason to be driving my pick up so 600 miles going to be a while. 

 So I ended up spending a weekend working on my 74 highboy Ford  so I could use it to pull my trailer. 
 Replaced a Leaking rear wheel cylinder and brake shoes. New radiator and heater hoses. 
Oh ya and new starter. 

 Sometimes I feel like all I do is work on junk. LOL







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I had a diesel shop do the rear end rebuild. 

All the gears where ruined Deadnot only that but the carrier bearing had spun on the carrier ruining it! And spun the carrier race in the diff housing almost destroying it! 
Pinion bearing race spun in housing!
Luckily they where able to repair the differential housing.  
 So $$$$ 
All new bearings. 
New ring and pinion. 
New carrier. 

Who ever set this diff up originally didn’t know what they where doing!!!!
My rebuilder guy said nothing was set up correctly. 
He said he’d never seen a spicer pinion gear fail like that, it’s always the ring gear. 
 
One plus is with the new spicer gear set I also had them install a 
Spicer trak lok limited slip differential. 

 

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A while back...
After noticing a vibration coming from the drive train that became worse as l pulled my trailer down the hwy, I started looking for a place to pullover, as I slowed to a stop the vibration was so bad I thought the rear drive shaft must have come loose!!
 I got out and looking couldn’t see anything wrong Confused 
But as soon as I began moving again  I could tell something Bad was wrong Ouch 
I ended up leaving my trailer at the dairy where I got my  bulldog jeep. 
My Dad came with his trailer and hauled my crewcab for me. 

I was hoping a wheel bearing had went out... that would have been nice..
This is what I found 






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Hey Len 
I remember seeing pictures of your crewcab and steering conversion, on oldfordcrewcabs forum!!
You have an awesome pickup!

I haven’t been active on the crewcab forum for a few years. 


 For Cummins conversions the early 89-93 engines are my favorite. 
They have easy injector pump mods. 
No computer 

If I did another one I’d go to the work of having an intercooler.  

To fit an intercooler with a/c condenser and trans cooler is do able but a lot more fabrication. 

As with any build it all depends on what your going to use the pickup for. 

An over-drive transmission is a must with a low rpm engine like a Cummins. 
And unless all you do is pull heavy loads your going to want more than 4:10 gears. 
  
No OD 4:10 gears =about 60-65 mph top speed against the governor. With stock gov spring and tires. 

To do another one my dream build would be 73-79 crewcab short box, on a late model super duty frame and axels, early Cummins with inter cooler, and an overdrive tranny with more than four gears. 

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Ben,
Ok, here is a "peek" of my '77 F-350 Ford Crew-Cab.
I completed the 2-year-build in 1998.
The cab came off of an F-250 2wd rust-free northeastern-California arid-climate.
I put the F-250 cab onto a '77 F-350 Longbed 2wd Chassis, and then sourced a 2wd Longbed box with the race-track trim and made mounts to ulitize original bed-holes.
The rivets for the front 2wd suspension got torched out, and assembly removed for installation of '76 F-250 springs and hangers. ( the 2wd frames are factory-punched to accept the '76 leaf-spring Crossmember ! ) That means the spring front member is a Bolt-On.
   Anyway, I sprayed it with 3-full coats of PPG Acrylic in original blue.

   I have bunches of photos of my steering ('93 Ford Corp 2wd PS box ), and how I reconfigured the 2wd crossmembers to accommodate the 300-inline six engine, with NP435 trans, and married NP205 T-Case. I has a split-driveline in rear of course. Front diff is sourced from a '79 F-350 D-60 Disc brake.

   I sold a '66 rust-free 4-door Ford cab 2-years ago that I had owned 25-years and just couldn't get after it. :-(

   The Rubicon jeep trail was calling each summer, and the '66 project never made it to fruition.

   I like the early Ford Crewcab pickups !

So, Ben, from what you have learned, what year (s) of Cummins are desirable ?

Your pickup is Sweet ! ...... hard to believe I've ran mine for 20-years.
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