Exhaust routing with PTO Winch

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   Ok jeep Gurus, looking for some input on the exhaust routing with a front PTO winch, pics, thoughts or other info as to the best way. 
I have a Ramsey single stick PTO with the front and back outlet on the same shaft and a baby king Koenig on the front. I plan to mount a rear PTO gear as well with this setup.
I have the standard exhaust set up and routing and I have flex pipe to add if a have to cut into the exhaust pipe in where there is PTO shaft conflict, mainly at and around the transmission. I don't have the PTO shaft installed yet as I'm waiting to get a carrior bearing and most likely build my own adaptor to the bell housing.

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CBAUER Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 02 Dec. 2011 Location: TEXAS Status: Offline Points: 105	Post Options Post Reply Quote CBAUER Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Exhaust routing with PTO Winch Posted: 30 Apr. 2018 at 9:09pm
	Ok jeep Gurus, looking for some input on the exhaust routing with a front PTO winch, pics, thoughts or other info as to the best way. I have a Ramsey single stick PTO with the front and back outlet on the same shaft and a baby king Koenig on the front. I plan to mount a rear PTO gear as well with this setup. I have the standard exhaust set up and routing and I have flex pipe to add if a have to cut into the exhaust pipe in where there is PTO shaft conflict, mainly at and around the transmission. I don't have the PTO shaft installed yet as I'm waiting to get a carrior bearing and most likely build my own adaptor to the bell housing.

TERRY Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Sponsor Member Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: BOULDER COLORADO Status: Offline Points: 3400	Post Options Post Reply Quote TERRY Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Apr. 2018 at 10:14pm
	Run the exhaust under the crossmember?
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48cj2a Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bantam Trailer Moderator Sponsor Member Joined: 22 July 2005 Location: Central, IL Status: Offline Points: 4521	Post Options Post Reply Quote 48cj2a Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Apr. 2018 at 11:30pm
	I have a lot of Ramsey and Koenig literature. The Koenig CJ5 instructions show to bend the down pipe and reshaping the angle in the intermediate pipe going back to the muffler to allow the exhaust to run under the cross member. I can't find anything showing then CJ2/3 instructions other than bumper spacers and and bell housing support bearing. The Ramsey installation shows a drawing with the exhaust going thru the crossmember. You might check and see if Hermtheoverdriveguy has anything.
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jeeper50 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Sponsor Member Joined: 01 Mar. 2008 Location: Spanish Fort AL Status: Offline Points: 2579	Post Options Post Reply Quote jeeper50 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Apr. 2018 at 11:35pm
	my 56 CJ5 had the pipe running under the crossmember for clearance, also had a chain clutch linkage setup so it really had to go under.
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	I installed a Koenig PTO and ran the exhaust pipe over top of the crossmember. Under the crossmember seems like a very bad idea to me. That one was a complete stainless exhaust system that I hand fabricated. Sorry but the pics are on photo bucket so it's a no show. And sold that Jeep.
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Oilleaker1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 06 Sep. 2011 Location: Black Hills, SD Status: Offline Points: 4412	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oilleaker1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 May 2018 at 12:32am
	On mine, I did not use a carrier bearing. i sliced the stock header and moved it to the left so the shaft could pass by. I welded up the slices. Then had a exhaust shop make a new intermediate pipe which passed under the crossmember on the highest point or just left of the crossmember. It's not hanging lower than the crossmember. Then back into the stock muffler set up. The catch is to install a spacer between the front rubber bumpstop and frame to stop the front differential from coming up too far and hitting the PTO shaft. The winch kits came with cast iron spacers to do this. I used square 1/4 inch tubing, drilled and tapped the holes for re installing the rubber bump. Works well. Oilly
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	Install a MB/Early Cj2a side exhaust. It crosses along the inside of the front edge of the skid plate and under the passenger seat. Very easy to install. Works well with the PTO drive shaft. In expensive. Great off road. Stev
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Qcanuck Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 04 Sep. 2013 Location: Ottawa, ON Status: Offline Points: 421	Post Options Post Reply Quote Qcanuck Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 May 2018 at 11:42am
	X2. Thats what I did. It works well and only required a minor bend to decrease the curve in the down pipe coming off the manifold. I used a small pillow block on the shaft and ground off all unecessary material before bolting to the bell housing. Only problem is that when my tranny leaks, it drips right on to the exhaust pipe, causing stinking burning gear oil. I keep cleaning it away and its manageable. Edited by Qcanuck - 02 May 2018 at 4:14am

m38mike Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 23 Apr. 2007 Location: Colorado High Country Status: Offline Points: 3796	Post Options Post Reply Quote m38mike Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 May 2018 at 1:24pm
	When I built Kate's Karriage with her Koenig front PTO winch, I ran the exhaust pipe under the cross member very close to the frame. Still higher than the skid plate by a little bit. Behind the cross member it comes back up inside the frame and connects to the muffler in the stock location. We had to bend the short first exhaust pipe slightly to the outside to get a good alignment for the second, longer exhaust pipe. Then it took a couple of slight bends on the second pipe to get it under the cross member and back up inside the frame. It all works well, and so far no dents in it from rocks or roots.
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CBAUER Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 02 Dec. 2011 Location: TEXAS Status: Offline Points: 105	Post Options Post Reply Quote CBAUER Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 May 2018 at 3:31am
	Thanks, everyone, I’m really trying to get this jeep done before the CFCT, I had forgot about the bump stop. So I’ll work out something there. If needed. Thanks for the replies Cary