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RICKG 
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 Topic: L134 block by AlliedPosted: 16 Nov. 2018 at 2:30pm |
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The new L134 Allied block was introduced with much fanfare quite some time ago. Since that time not much has been said or documented about it. Have any you fellows had experience with it good or bad?
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Joe DeYoung
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Posted: 18 Nov. 2018 at 5:40pm |
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I am working with one now and would not recommend spending money on an Allied L134 block. Much like an MD Juan repro body, you will not be able to uses it right out of the crate. You will have to do a fair amount of work to it to make it right and one feature is not correctable at all. My biggest complaints about the block are: 1) The casting in the valve chambers is horrendous... steps, ledges, and blobs of extra cast iron. I ended up porting the chambers to get a reasonable air/fuel flow. I'm not sure how much material I had to work with so I had to compromise as to the extent of making is good verses not breaking into water jacket. It's really that horrible!! 2) Rear main seal groove is to large for a rubber lip seal so have to use a rope seal. 3) Hardened valve seats not concentric with the valve guides. Must grind seats. 4) block is absolutely filthy inside as received. There is machining debris everywhere inside... including the oil galleries. 5) If you skip the cleaning (WHICH I DO NOT RECOMMEND) check the oil gallery plugs. They were all lose... inside and out. 6) paint on and inside the oil pump mounting flange. Make sure you clean off the paint both on the face and inside the holes. In short, I think this block is a waste of money. Rebuild an original block. Even if it's cracked and needs sleeves you'll be money ahead... and there are lots of them out there.
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Lee MN
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Posted: 18 Nov. 2018 at 10:27pm |
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Thank you Joe for a trustworthy opinion! 👍🏿
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Joe Friday
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Posted: 18 Nov. 2018 at 11:23pm |
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I agree with Joe's statements. The fitment of the rear main bearing block is also a concern. The one I watched assembled is/was crooked when torqued. This shouldn't happen.
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tamnalan
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Posted: 19 Nov. 2018 at 1:33am |
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Bummer to hear this. I hope the block production gets better.
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Lee MN
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Posted: 19 Nov. 2018 at 3:42am |
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Anyone here running one ?...
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rocnroll
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Posted: 19 Nov. 2018 at 4:11am |
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Any reports from the winner of the Spring Reunion engine ?
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Ol' Unreliable
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Who won that one that got raffled off at one of the meets back in the summer?
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There's a reason it's called Ol' Unreliable
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rocnroll
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Ol' Unreliable
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Oh, that's right. Tom must not be checking the page lately. Of course, he probably hasn't installed the engine yet, either...
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There's a reason it's called Ol' Unreliable
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lowenuf
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The block/engine Joe DeYoung is working on IS the raffle engine from the reunion....
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Tom is not big on being a mechanic or machinist. But he is a good maintainer. I think I heard that he had someone building the engine for him. I guess that would be Joe. I'm sad to hear that the quality is so poor. I was hoping they would be good blocks to build from. Not to be.
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RICKG
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Posted: 19 Nov. 2018 at 2:34pm |
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Certainly if a potential buyer were to speak to the mfr or seller he would hear all the positive attributes
from sliced bread to TP on a roll. Thanks Joe for the honest assessment, no one speaks the truth like the man who has one on the bench. Hoping the mfr is made aware of the shortfalls and will take steps to rectify for future production.
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rocnroll
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Hi guys, Joe has really stepped up to take this thing on and I feel bad that this block is so fraught with problems that he is having to deal with. I suggested that he can throw in the towel at any time, but for now, he still thinks he can turn it around. But my offer still stands - no harm, no foul. Rick, to your question about Allied...honestly, I don't know if they even exist anymore. I did a half-hearted google search for the company because I had heard they offered a 1 year warranty and came up empty. I didn't see any companies that looked like they were building engine blocks. I read through the spec sheet I pulled off of the KW website, but I think maybe the warranty is actually with the retailer (KW and Walcks) and not the mfg. I don't know. As I understand it, this block had been donated by a distributor, but I think it would be poor form for me to try to get involved there. (you don't look a gift mule in the mouth, right muley? ) But if it is under warranty...The mystery to me is this: if a guy was going to go to all the trouble to design and produce an engine block for his jeep brothers, wouldn't you take the first one that passed quality control and build it up, throw it in a jeep, and drive it for a few thousand miles before actually going into production and selling them? Is this block an early prototype or a factory second? It's kind of odd that nobody I'm aware of has actual first hand experience building a successful Allied block. How can this be? If I read Keith's post correctly, you can't even bolt a crank into this block. |
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Bob W
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Posted: 19 Nov. 2018 at 6:52pm |
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I saw a nice running Allied engine before they were available to the general public.
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The block was full of machining crud so a super cleaning of all oil galleries was in order, but to be fair, I would have done that anyway with any overhaul. Is it worth the money? Can't tell yet...I'll know more when I set the crank in the block later this winter. Too many other irons in the fire at the moment. |
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Is this the engine that is geting talked about?
"NEW" Willys 134-L 4 Cylinder Engine Block With Gear Drive Timing Setup
These new blocks are cast in a modern formulation of gray iron which is harder and more durable than the original manufactured blocks. Machining is accomplished on CNC machines with tolerances exceeding .0005” (greater than the original machining capabilities). All machined surfaces are milled to the original design specifications. This Block should be assembled only by experienced, professional engine builders. Inspection
galleys (remove all oil galley plugs prior to cleaning). Use hot soapy water and rinse with hot water first followed by cold water which helps reduce rust.
fitted with five 1.25” freeze plugs and one 1.75” cam plug WarrantyProduct is warranteed for one year from the date of purchase. If the product is used for racing or competition, this warranty is limited to manufacturer defects only; wear and breakage are not covered under any circumstances. If the product shows, in our opinion, evidence of being used or installed contrary to the instructions and/or subjected to improper handling, packaging, or shipping by the customer, it will not be covered by our limited warranty. The liability to Vintage Jeeps, Inc. for losses or damages arising out of any cause whatsoever is limited to the full refund of the purchase price or, at our option, repair or replacement of the product(s). Vintage Jeeps, Inc. shall not be liable for any consequential or incidental damages. Some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of consequential or incidental damages, so the above limitation or exclusion may not apply to you. |
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