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    Posted: 02 Aug. 2019 at 3:52pm
Just about have all mechanicals freshened up, and ready for reinstallation. Considering the drivetrain only has 24K original miles, 20K+ are field work miles. When #33 left Cesor farms, it had a cane shift transmission installed, I elected to rebuild a column shift case, but will be using the cane shifter for now.

The goal here is preservation, not restoration..





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Originally posted by jpet jpet wrote:

This is extraordinary!! BAM BAM also has those same dents in the rear cross member!! ..... I wonder .... could it be?! ..... hmmmm . Cool thread. Thanks for sharing!


That's funny, my Gray Mule has the same dents? Maybe this would raise suspicion that that might be the Davis 1948 WILLYS! LOL
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This is extraordinary!! BAM BAM also has those same dents in the rear cross member!! ..... I wonder .... could it be?! ..... hmmmm . Cool thread. Thanks for sharing!
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Mike, I'm 100% sure it was at CESOR, and it's certainly very plausible it was the Davis Jeep. Since a past long term owner was in Brighton, and there was a Willys Factory training center 5 miles South of Brighton, it is also likely it was deployed there for a while and certain accessories may have been changed.

I still believe it is the Davis Jeep, and will try to dig up photos for you.

PS - the CJ2A towtruck with plow that was used at the training center to plow the snow off the ice skating rink is most likely still in Howell where I found it 25 years ago.

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Let me add to this thread in saying that, even though there are several indicators between photographs and the actual vehicle to raise suspicion that this might be the Davis Jeep, I have seen a couple of photographs that might say otherwise. My concern is that we are looking at internet photos, and when you start zooming in or out, you actually reduce clarity. So for now, I will only say that much more investigation is needed, but I still stand by the few clues that I have seen to this point. If it isn't the Davis jeep, it certainly spent time at Cesor Farms...... The saga continues.....
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Originally posted by lowenuf lowenuf wrote:

Tim, thank you for bringing yet another identifying feature. Here is a pic of #33 in the same location, and there clearly is an indent to touch... This makes #5...... I apologize that the image is sideways....





Hey Mike,

Nice original NACO!
I know a fellow that could maybe straighten it! REALLY!

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Hey, wait a minute...this can't be the same 2A.

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Tim, thank you for bringing yet another identifying feature. Here is a pic of #33 in the same location, and there clearly is an indent to touch... This makes #5...... I apologize that the image is sideways....
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Lowenuf,
Congrats on a really cool CJ-2A.  I sure wish something like this would find me.

In the original Myron Davis photo, there is what appears to be a significant crease in the rear cross-member shown below.  This may be an easy way to definitively confirm that this is the same 2A.  It would be unlikely that this crease would ever be fixed…based on its location and the thickness of the steel.  It would be a pain in the rump to try and pound this out, thus unlikely anyone would even try.
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Originally posted by Mhovey46 Mhovey46 wrote:

Originally posted by lowenuf lowenuf wrote:

As mentioned in the very first thread, I said I would share more info as it became available on #10033....

After much scrutiny from detailed photos, and the vehicle itself, the general consensus from myself, and several other Willys aficionados, is that #10033 is the Life magazine photo shoot jeep, shot by Myron Davis on Mackinaw Island Michigan. 


Mike, what were the details that suggested number 33 was the photo shoot Jeep? I have seen quite a few pictures from the shoot but I was never able to pin down a serial number. Were you able to find any enhanced pictures of the data tags? 

At the current time, detailed photos have been compared to the jeep, mainly looking at spot welds, mig welds, and several incurred body defects that present themselves in the photos that are still present today...




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Originally posted by lowenuf lowenuf wrote:

As mentioned in the very first thread, I said I would share more info as it became available on #10033....

After much scrutiny from detailed photos, and the vehicle itself, the general consensus from myself, and several other Willys aficionados, is that #10033 is the Life magazine photo shoot jeep, shot by Myron Davis on Mackinaw Island Michigan. 


Mike, what were the details that suggested number 33 was the photo shoot Jeep? I have seen quite a few pictures from the shoot but I was never able to pin down a serial number. Were you able to find any enhanced pictures of the data tags? 
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After much thought and consideration, I am opting to rebuild a T-90 side shift, and re-install it along with a rebuilt steering column back into #10033, along with the original engine and transfercase. The T-90 is closely period correct, and will be just fine until I might ever locate a better dated case. The objective is to leave #33 in her "found and original" condition, and make her a reliable driver again.....
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Great picture... I note the black finish of the footman loops and reflector, also the zinc?? Finish of the tail gate chains and windshield thumb knobs.. no rear view mirror and short side view..early steering wheel and simple push/pull windshield latch.. 

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Originally posted by Bill Norris Bill Norris wrote:

Low,

The Mackinac Island angle is new to me. Where did you find that info? Its especially interesting as cars were outlawed on the island in 1898.

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Just referencing the notes at the bottom of the photos....
 


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The Mackinac Island angle is new to me. Where did you find that info? Its especially interesting as cars were outlawed on the island in 1898.

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As mentioned in the very first thread, I said I would share more info as it became available on #10033....

After much scrutiny from detailed photos, and the vehicle itself, the general consensus from myself, and several other Willys aficionados, is that #10033 is the Life magazine photo shoot jeep, shot by Myron Davis on Mackinaw Island Michigan. 


This is also one of 30 known jeeps that was present at Cesor Farms on July 18, 1945 for the unveiling of the civilian jeep.

After the unveiling, it is said that a few of the jeeps remained at Cesor Farm for use on the farm, and possibly further testing, as the photo below shows, with a pre-production jeep in the background.


Further research is in the works via phone calls to family of the original purchaser to further elaborate on the jeep.

Stay tuned....


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The rear strap iron feet are straight and not twisted where they meet seat frame tube.


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Originally posted by Joe DeYoung Joe DeYoung wrote:

That's great Mike! Nice to still have the very early feature intact. Is there any data available as to when that was changed to cast iron?

Also, have you looked at the light switch yet to see if it looks like the one pictured on Page 53 of the 45 maintenance manual? I've never seen one on any of the early 2As so I question if that style was ever used on a 2A.

I have no data to suggest a part change range..... the light switch appears to be a replacement





Quote Hey Mike,
Are there any little differences on the early VEC CJ2A seat frames? Mine has the original seat frames and also a spare set of early 1946 seat frames with it. Both Column shift 2As, however with some little variations. 
Now I need to check the pivots to see if the material is bronze?
PGR

What type(s) of variations are you seeing in the seats?.....
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