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    Posted: 03 Jan. 2021 at 8:53pm
Here is a picture of my M100 fitted with 7.50-16 NDTs. I typically have 7.00-16s on it but I had it loaded down with Sheetrock I had tore out of a room in the house. The solid waste transfer station I had to haul the old drywall to is about 15 miles away and I didn’t trust the old dry rotted tires that were on it so I bolted on my Jeep spare and one off the Jeep. I forgot to take a picture of the trailer loaded down but according to the scale at the transfer station it had 1300 lbs on it and I had no rubbing at all traveling 45 mph.


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Art thanks for the suggestions. 
I believe either the T3-C or M100 will best suite my needs.
I will want to add bow pockets if I find an M 100.
Always thinking ahead so I’ll wait’n see which one shows up first.

Jeep fever, that’s exactly what I was expecting and hoping to see.
Looks like max tire diameter is 32” or 7.50 x 16”.
Now I can rest assured that I can swap trailer tires with my jeeps.
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Originally posted by JeepFever JeepFever wrote:

Originally posted by oldtime oldtime wrote:

Looking at pics it appears to me that the Bantam fenders are at 32” radius. 
Can someone verify the Bantam fender radius ?


I made a template out of thick cardboard to the diameter of the 7.50x16 NDTs.   It was used for laying out the rear gas/tire rack.    I keep moving that cardboard around,   thinking I should just throw it away.

Glad I did not LOL,  I will compare it to my 2 Bantams this evening.   I don't remember the exact diameter,  but will share the measurement also.  It should be close to 32"

I am not sure how much this helps,  but this is the result of comparing template to one Bantam fender.  

This photo shows the inside of fender lip,  compared to a 15" radius (30 diameter) pencil line.   It appears this fender was tweaked at some point,  because it is not perfectly "round"




Template is 32" diameter,  although a little rough.   This photo shows it compared to outside of fender.





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Ken,

Unless the T3 is beyond its value and required a lot of refab of its original tub I would not modify one. They are getting very hard to find in original condition. I'd modify an M100 or M416 tub first.

Adding a lunette to a T3-C could very easily be reversed (its just a bolt on piece) but original MBT and T3 lunettes and castings can be expensive.

If you do not have one but do have the welding skills, I have one a PO cut off the ring and welded on a coupler that could be cut off and reworked to accept the ring again.

I'd have to look to see if I have a T3/MBT casting rat holed.

Brakes again are just bolt on as are the shock mounts.


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No experience but I think I prefer the Bantam T3-C over all the others.
For one thing I like the history behind it.
And I believe it would serve my need as a versitile trailer.
Part time conestoga camper and part time firewood duty.

If I’m not mistaken the 416 is a little wider than the flat fender jeeps.

I actually somewhat prefer the T3 pintle hitch.
The pintle better handles extreme off road angles and it’s less likely that someone tows it off when your not hitched up.

I might prefer changing the fenders for something else like Willys PU fenders of whatever is flat and looks right but that’s not a big deal.

Yes I would certainly like to have T3 trailer brakes at times like when I use it as a conestoga camper.
And the T3 shocks might be a big plus too.

So which makes more sense.... modify a Bantam T3 by installing a tailgate or add shocks, brakes and pintle eye to a T3-C ?

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where you rest the beer on those round fenders?

 the m416 fenders would need the brackets on the tub reworked to replace the round fenders.
Personally I believe the m416 is a better trailer frame. Shocks and parking brake would be hard to add to a tc-3 but then a ball hitch and tailgate weren't easy to add either.
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When a circle or a portion “there of “ is checked it is normally compared to what’s called a radius gauge.
It is called a radius gauge and not a diameter gauge because only a portion of a circle is typically compared.
Yes the radius is on 16” but in my case the term “radius” was meant to reference the use of a gauge exactly as No Fender” has commented.


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Originally posted by oldtime oldtime wrote:

Looking at pics it appears to me that the Bantam fenders are at 32” radius. 
Can someone verify the Bantam fender radius ?


I think you are a tad over for the radius, maybe 32" diameter!!
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Originally posted by oldtime oldtime wrote:

Looking at pics it appears to me that the Bantam fenders are at 32” radius. 
Can someone verify the Bantam fender radius ?


I made a template out of thick cardboard to the diameter of the 7.50x16 NDTs.   It was used for laying out the rear gas/tire rack.    I keep moving that cardboard around,   thinking I should just throw it away.

Glad I did not LOL,  I will compare it to my 2 Bantams this evening.   I don't remember the exact diameter,  but will share the measurement also.  It should be close to 32"
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Looking at pics it appears to me that the Bantam fenders are at 32” radius. 
Can someone verify the Bantam fender radius ?

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My "working" Bantam has 225/70 x16 tires.  (not close to original,  but I wanted some flotation, and got these for $40, almost new)

This trailer has been loaded to bump-stops many times,  and has seen some serious use on trails, hauling out firewood.  It has never rubbed the tires anywhere.   They are shorter than 7.50's (28.5"),  but wider (8.5") . .  (those measurements with eyeball and tape measure)

Photo with 1340 lbs of load:




I would think 7.50 x 16's  would fit fine.
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Yeah Stev, I don’t care much for the M416 wheels, but I do really like the fenders.
Having additional flat surfaces in the back country is always a plus.
I see they mat h the angle of the CJ fenders too.
I wonder if those flat top fenders would be a direct bolt on fit for a T3-C ?
Anyone tried it ?
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M416 with 16" 600s  - Jeep has 16" 650s




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Originally posted by Dr. B Dr. B wrote:

Fed, nice looking rig! Where did you get your black cover?

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Fed, nice looking rig! Where did you get your black cover?
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Well Fed, That turned out rather attractive.
 Unusual but really nice color.
With my plans I certainly won’t be chopping off the spring mount brackets in some duh! effort to lower the COG.


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Originally posted by oldtime oldtime wrote:

Well Fed, your chopped off hangers does a great job of lowering the fender wells down to the tires.
I can clearly see that the fenders are just large enough radius to handle those 7.50 tires.

That modification was done decades ago and it ended up chewing up the tires under heavy load with the 7.50x16s. We like having more space for bouncing or heavy loads when we hit a bump or two. When we did the restoration, we put it back the way it was from the factory with 6.00x16s.


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Thanks for the replies all.
Well Fed, your chopped off hangers does a great job of lowering the fender wells down to the tires.
I can clearly see that the fenders are just large enough radius to handle those 7.50 tires.
I was previously thinking I may have to go with m416 fenders to fit the 32” tires.

I definitely wanna try for a Bantam T3-C with 7.50 tires to match my flatty.


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