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52 M38
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Posted: 04 Mar. 2021 at 12:14am |
I determined that I need a sawmill, not really but it certainly get used, kinda like a 50 year old Jeep. I am reaching out to the greater team here to see if anyone has a Wood-Mizer LX25 or LX55. I am trying to determine if the 25 is crap and/or if the 55 is worth it.
I know this seems like a stretch that someone might have one of these, but recently another member asked if anyone had the user manual for a low production PTO generator from the 1980’s. I happened to have the very same gen and the nonexistent manual for it. Somehow fate has found a mechanism to concentrate the world population of people with exactly the same interests and it is this forum.
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duffer
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I bought a Montana Sawmills (manufactured in the really backwoods town of Troy, MT) version similar to those two Woodmizers in the mid 90's. It is still going strong 24 years later. It has an 11 hp Kohler engine and that is its biggest handicap-still not enough power. If you are going this route, opt for the 14 hp LX55.
I built addition bed sections for mine (60') so I can cut some pretty long material. It all breaks down so you can move it in a couple pickup loads allowing access to places you will never get a trailer version to.
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1955 3B: 441sbc,AGE 4 speed transmission, Teralow D18w/Warn OD, 4.11:1 D44's/ARB's, glass tub & fenders, aluminum hood/grill, 8274, York OBA, Premier Power Welder; 67 CJ5: 225,T86AA, D18, 4.88's, OD
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52 M38
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Thank you Duffer. I ordered my mill this morning, I went with the 14hp as you recommended. Now I just have to wait 18 week, holy lead-time Batman before I can go pick it up. The good part of the lead time is it allows me to budget it out as to get fewer angry looks from the wife.
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bobevans
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I have an old Norwood Lumbermate Mark IV. It's an oldy, but a lot of fun to play with. I tow it behind my Jeep way back in the woods. It originally had a 10 HP Honda engine, but I upgraded to (?) a Harbor Freight 22 HP Predator engine and it works well.
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52 M38
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I almost went with a Norwood. They are another one of the made in the USA saw companies. When I called them to talk and order, I was put on hold for about 15 minutes, at which point I hung up and called the local wood-mizer shop who picked up on the second ring.
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chasendeer
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How good of lumber can you mill with these? Does it come out nice enough to frame a house with it?
Jay
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duffer
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Absolutely-assuming you have decent tree species to work with. Since you have total control on the dimensions you can make anything you want. I ran all the beams and a lot of the trim material (doug fir) for my place through my mill-the only reason I bought it. You still have rough cut lumber and have to allow for shrinkage when drying. We ended up just belt sanding most of the 4x stuff but ran the smaller sections through a Makita planner. I also cut the trapezoidal sections of LVL for the kitchen counter back splash underlay on it and even a large tapered block of green ash for an anvil mount. Those weird cuts take a little more time to set up but way less time than building them up from multiple pieces. |
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1955 3B: 441sbc,AGE 4 speed transmission, Teralow D18w/Warn OD, 4.11:1 D44's/ARB's, glass tub & fenders, aluminum hood/grill, 8274, York OBA, Premier Power Welder; 67 CJ5: 225,T86AA, D18, 4.88's, OD
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bobevans
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I'm with duffer. You can mill most, if not everything you need on these little mills. The biggest restriction for me is the diameter of the log. About 28" in diameter is the limit for my little saw. Mine is completely manual, so I don't know if I could handle a much bigger log anyhow. You can extend the track with some good angle iron and some ingenuity. Mine will cut 11' as is and I set it up to cut out to 20' one time. My brother and I built a 12 x 24 cabin in the woods from Poplar we milled. We did end up buying some plywood sheets, but we certainly could have used lumber right off of the mill. I brought it home since then and have it set up in the field behind my house now. I added a little solar drying kiln and now I have all the furniture making wood I need!
For framing lumber, I used it right off of the mill. For anything else, I plane it. Edited by bobevans - 11 Mar. 2021 at 4:36am |
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Barry S
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I have a Norwood Lumbermate 2000. It's like the old jeeps - do I need it - no - but I do it because I love it. There's just something about turning a raw log into lumber and then a finished product. With 24 ' of track I can mill a 20' log. I usually leave the last 4' section off. I've only ever used 20' and done 16' logs. The cant on the mill in the photos is 24" x 24" x 16'. It's powered by a 20HP twin cylinder Honda. It's manual - meaning I have to push the carriage along but I actually like that because I can "feel" what it's doing. I have the trailering kit which makes it easy to haul back into the woods and I've added log levelers. Yes, you can build a whole building as the pics show. I have also milled live edge table tops and can even make almost a veneer cut. I make 1/4" thick x 8" wide x 10' long basswood pieces that my son uses as spines in the surfboards he builds. You can't buy that at the lumber store! We decided to build a pavilion on a friends property. All the trees were cut from there and I milled all of the lumber on site. The center bent is a king post type and the ends are queens post type. The are no metal fasteners - all done with mortise and tenon joints and secured with hardwood dowel pins. I know you will have fun with your new sawmill. Enjoy!! -Barry |
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52 M38
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How hard was it to learn the joinery? It is on my bucket list. Do you use a chain mortiser? Did you use the mill to do the tenons?
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bight
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come up to Maine!
i have taken this course and recommend it to anyone interested in timber frame building.
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CJ-2A 72586 tan (stock)
CJ-2A 197624 green (resto-mod) the wife abides (def: to bear patiently; TOLERATE) |
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Barry S
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It can all be done with hand tools. A circular saw and a drill with forstner bits speeds things up. The main thing is a set of really good chisels including a corner chisel. Like most things you can spend lots of money on special equipment if you're going to do it a lot.
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1947 CJ2A 93664 "Grasshopper"
1947 CJ2A 90729 194? CJ2A 04893/194304 1946 CJ2A 46745 1946 CJ2A 36723 1945 MB 413665 1971 CJ5 8305017 375392 Drive train parts donor Bantam Trailer T3-C 25487 |
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Barry S
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Hey bight! That's awesome. Wish we had a course like that here. Here's another good resource: https://timberframehq.com/.
Also, I like your handle. The pavillion we built is our meeting place for the knot tyers club I'm in. We are the Earl Hensel Chapter of the International Guild of Knot Tyers (IGKT) out of Birmingham, England. Most of us are retired Scoutmasters. Anyway, most people probably don't know what a bight is!
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1947 CJ2A 93664 "Grasshopper"
1947 CJ2A 90729 194? CJ2A 04893/194304 1946 CJ2A 46745 1946 CJ2A 36723 1945 MB 413665 1971 CJ5 8305017 375392 Drive train parts donor Bantam Trailer T3-C 25487 |
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Barry S
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Forgot to mention that Timberframe HQ has a free download set of plans for sawhorses to practice basic mortise and tenon joints on. Then you have the heavy duty sawhorses to use for your timbers.
-Barry
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1947 CJ2A 93664 "Grasshopper"
1947 CJ2A 90729 194? CJ2A 04893/194304 1946 CJ2A 46745 1946 CJ2A 36723 1945 MB 413665 1971 CJ5 8305017 375392 Drive train parts donor Bantam Trailer T3-C 25487 |
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bight
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Hey Barry,
yeas, most do not know what a bight is. i have been around ropes all my life beginning with boating back in the 60's. kinda, sorta make my living at it now teaching work at height safety and rope access. it has a double meaning as a combination of my wifes last name and mine.
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CJ-2A 72586 tan (stock)
CJ-2A 197624 green (resto-mod) the wife abides (def: to bear patiently; TOLERATE) |
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52 M38
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I received an update on the back order timeframe, I will see my sawmill sometime between Halloween and Christmas, not real soon. Since I have to wait till just short of the heat-death of the universe I went up one size on the mill to an LT15.
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52 M38
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Believe it or not it has taken this long for my mill to built. At long last I will go pick it up next week. Then the learning curve begins.
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bobevans
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Have Fun!
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