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oldtime
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Posted: 08 Apr. 2022 at 1:00pm |
The last non charged Monroe shocks to fit flatfenders were manufactured in the 1990’s. Monroe #1004
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Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B .
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43 Flat-Fender
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Thanks DRM 101,
What I find interesting and hopeful is that skyjacker makes a line of just plain old hydraulic shocks non-gas charged! Thank you
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Rob
GPW 94445 (DOD 01-25-43) Built in Louisville KY Engine: MB341746 "Faithful Steed" since 1967 |
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drm101
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I run H7012 Skyjackers. It rides very nice and soft with the made in USA springs sold by Walck's. Our '47 is basically stock other than a fiberglass tub and fenders. I also run 8-10 psi in my Super Traxion 6.5x16 tires. If I'm running around on the street, I might pump the tires up to around 15 psi. I know others run softer springs and get much more articulation than our's, but for a good all around basically stock Jeep, I think it rides and handles very good on and off road.
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Dean
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43 Flat-Fender
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This looks very interesting?!
No mention of Gas Filled! as opposed to the blue version, which does mention Gas Filled. |
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Rob
GPW 94445 (DOD 01-25-43) Built in Louisville KY Engine: MB341746 "Faithful Steed" since 1967 |
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Mark W.
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I'll add CHUG has brand new Crown (I think) Springs. The Shackles are Bronze Bushed with Mobil Hi Pressure Blue grease. They are about 1" longer then stock and add about 1/2" lift. My Jeep is on a CJ-5 frame so has longer springs then a MB/GPW 2A 3A 3B which also greatly improves the ride.
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Chug A Lug
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43 Flat-Fender
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Thanks SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A,
The "Monroe 32207" shock actually cross-references to "NAPA 94038" shock. They are both gas filled shocks with identical compressed and extended length specs, blue paint etc. I'm 99% sure that they are one in the same shock, rebranded for sale at NAPA under their 94038 part number. And those are the exact same gas filled shocks I purchased from NAPA in the mid 90's and had a bone jarring experience with. (See Pic - Over spayed OD for my application) If anybody knows of a manufacture that sells non gas filled shocks that meet our length specs, I'd love to know? TY |
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Rob
GPW 94445 (DOD 01-25-43) Built in Louisville KY Engine: MB341746 "Faithful Steed" since 1967 |
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oldscot3
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+1 on valving and other variables aside from gas charging being the culprit for a particular shock not working well on a cj2a. It's my understanding that the nitrogen charge is to help prevent foaming of the oil under harsh use conditions. If that's the case, it shouldn't cause a bad seat-of-the-pants felt ride unless its charged to a relatively high pressure. I would expect the Skyjackers in the ad above are intended for an offroad vehicle with a lot of suspension travel going over a very rough road at greater speeds than most old cj2as go.
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SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A
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Monroe 32207. Standard shock used on all 4 corners. |
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46 CJ-2A #64462 "Ol' Red" (bought April 1969)(second owner)(12 V, 11" brakes, M-38 frame, MD Juan tub)
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otto
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I honestly don't remember, sorry. I just visited the Rock Auto site just to make sure I wasn't "on my ass" regarding this topic, and they are there. You have to look under Jeep and not Willys to find the CJ stuff. If you check in the "original ride quality" section, you will find them. While I was there, I might entertain getting a pair of the Rancho RS5000 series for the front of my black jeep. It has aftermarket lift springs and the cheapo shocks will NOT dampen these springs at all.
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76291
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Well I understand that but thats not wh....oh, never mind. ;)
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43 Flat-Fender
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Otto,
What are the part numbers for the shocks! I honestly did not know Monroe made non-gas charged shocks that would fit our application. |
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Rob
GPW 94445 (DOD 01-25-43) Built in Louisville KY Engine: MB341746 "Faithful Steed" since 1967 |
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43 Flat-Fender
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Uh .... It's a mechanical system, it needs lubrication.
Wipe off the excess. Just put lite bead in between the leaves with the red straw and it will immediately soak in-between. It actually improves the deflection and compliance of the suspension system. My Jeep gets dusty! It's a Jeep!
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Rob
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otto
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For my blue jeep that still has the original springs, I bought the cheapest blue Monroe shocks that Rock Auto offered- non gas charged and about $20 ea. It rides really well with them. Not a meaningful comparison to the old ones as they didn't have any oil left in them, but way better.
I guess if you have stock springs, get stock shocks. If you have different/stiffer springs you probably need a little more damping.
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76291
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Not sure about this because this turns your springs into dust/dirt magnets.
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43 Flat-Fender
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Hey Roc,
I suppose that's possible but the "Napa" shocks I'm taking about are the standard bright blue painted rebranded Monroe or Gabriel shocks that they sell. Invariably those are nitrogen charged shocks. When I inquired with manufacturers, they freely acknowledge that while the shocks that are currently sold will fit and operate dimensionally correctly that they may not act as the OEM shocks originally did on these vehicles? And that is, because they are nitrogen charged and the original shocks were Not nitrogen charged, but rather dual action hydraulic shocks. I'm thinking, that part of the problem might be that a lot of folks have aftermarket springs that are simply stiffer to begin with than the originals? So that the nitrogen charge shocks really don't stand out because the springs are already pretty doggone stiff? The other trick is to lubricate the spring packs regularly! I find that soaking the edges of the spring packs with liquid wrench penetrating oil or PB blaster makes a huge difference in the compliance of the springs because they do slide against one another. If nothing more it greatly reduces the squeaks and moans and groans that happen from the suspension system. The other thing is don't over tighten the spring shackles! They need to be backed off at least a half to three quarters of a turn otherwise they bind. All I can say to the folks who are skeptical is that every flat fender guy who is ridden in my jeep has been impressed with how smooth and refined the suspension feels. And that's running NDTs with about 25 psi of pressure. A kid you not, it rides like a short wheelbase cadillac. Anyway too many miles to go and too many smiles to go. Enjoy your rides guys. I look forward to meeting you down in Tompkinsville Roc. |
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Rob
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rocnroll
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Could it be that the gas charged shocks you picked maybe were just a bad choice in valving or brand for your application?
Seems satisfactory to a lot of folks. |
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43 Flat-Fender
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And based on the responses so far ..... is why I have hesitated to post my experience with Gas Filled shocks.
For me, with a bone stock MB/GPW, original springs and no mods, the very clear winner is Non-gas charged, like the original suspension was designed. Going over bumps and imperfections in the road feels rubbery, compliant and soft, definitely not jarring or harsh the way the over the counter Gas filled shocks make it feel. I actually feel kind of bad for folks with stock setups and that have never tried "old school" plain hydraulic shocks. They'll never know how smooth the suspension on these old jeeps can be! This is the way a major manufacture describes the difference. I agree with their assessment. |
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Rob
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duffer
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I think what shocks will work best on any specific Willys is dependent on the springs-how worn or modified, other modifications to shackles and hangers, the operating weight of the rig, and probably the most important, the use of the rig. One size most definitely doesn't fit all even if the dimensions were correct.
Gas filled shocks can have a place. I used them for decades on the rear of my 3B. In its latest rendition, it received Bilstein B8 5165's with the 170/60 soft valving but it also received a rather stout disconnectable front sway bar to go with those.
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1955 3B: 441sbc,AGE 4 speed transmission, Teralow D18w/Warn OD, 4.11:1 D44's/ARB's, glass tub & fenders, aluminum hood/grill, 8274, York OBA, Premier Power Welder; 67 CJ5: 225,T86AA, D18, 4.88's, OD
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