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ajax25
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Posted: 03 June 2022 at 9:59pm |
Ok you guys were awesome last time with my wiring issues so I’m back with another question. When I turn the key to on it shows my battery is working. When I turn the key to start it all I get is a hum noise coming from the solenoid which is separate from the starter not attached. Does that mean that my starter isn’t working or is it the solenoid? I tried the old trick of banging on the starter and no dice. After driving it to run a few errands the last place I stopped it decided not to start back up. Had to push start it to get it going so I could make it home the other day.
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CMCSSeabee
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Sounds like the solenoid. Obviously check all wiring/connections first. Check voltage at solenoid activation post with the key in the crank position. Should be within 1 volt of battery voltage.
Jump across the solenoid with a heavy piece of metal or cable and see if it cranks.
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cpt logger
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As hinted at above, it could be a very low battery, or a bad connection somewhere between the battery & the starter, or both. A bad connection may prevent the generator/alternator from charging the battery. Do not forget to check the grounding connections both to the frame, the body, & the engine. All connections need to be clean! Now if the Jeep is still 6 volts, the battery & starter cables may be too small. I live where it can get fairly cold, so I use OO sized cables. My friend who lives in Florida uses O sized cables. Some folks say that #2 sized cables work fine. They do not work fine at anything below 15 F. This I know from personal experience. IHTH, Cpt Logger.
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Bruce W
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Before you do anything else, clean your battery terminal connections. Take the cables off and clean inside the cable clamps and clean the posts. If you’ve got any of those farmer (or Bubba) clamp-on replacement cable clamps, replace the entire cable, following cpt loggers advice.
BW
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It is NOT a Jeep Willys! It is a Willys jeep.
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Mark W.
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When it comes to battery cables BIGGER IS BETTER I have a 12V system and use 0 grade cables I also have the same for my Chassis to Engine Grounds. As well as separate grounds on almost everything in the vehicle. I also put a Series 31 950CCA battery in thats so big I had to modify the inner fender and built a heavy duty battery tray to carry its 61 lbs. And a 105amp Alternator to juice it up with. Pushing a jeep to start is for high school kids out to late I'm way to old for that sh*t.
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That's what the hand crank is for....
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Yup, I push started mine more than once in HS. Fortunately flat or downhill with my buds. Was and still is 6v. (Hear that Don?) Would love to have the hand crank in the tool box.
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cpt logger
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Even when I was in HS, I always parked it on a hill. When It needed a tuneup, I used a long hill. Yes, I am lazy! These days I fix the problems. Yet, I still almost always park pointed out & down hill if possible. Old habits die hard.
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Rus Curtis
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Yep. Been there, done that.
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Rus Curtis
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Smart move to ensure all connections are clean. Nothing will fix this if the connections are "insulated" with crud. Agree with Seabee. Have you tried to jump across the solenoid to bypass (sending current directly to the starter without switch input)? I remember similar, by ear, diagnoses to differentiate between solenoid and starter but the hum is a new one. You're sure it's not the starter spinning without engaging the bendix? The hammer on the starter has been "hit and miss" with me as it needs to be able to jostle the armature to make intermittent contact with the brushes to get the starter to turn (almost a last-ditch-effort when all else fails). I think if there's enough wear on those parts, even a series of solid smacks won't help. My go-to was always park on a hill, "just in case."
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ajax25
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Hadn’t had a chance to work on it this week so I just threw the trickle charger on it last night. Went out this morning turned the key and it fired right up. First thought now is I just need a new battery but that doesn’t make sense because it should have charged while I was driving it for a good hr before it quit on me the other day.
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ajax25
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I guess I could be a bad connection as mentioned earlier. It’s a brand new positive cable from the battery to the solenoid and I have cleaned both terminals. Maybe it’s the connection from the solenoid to the starter and the alternator?
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I got to tell you the bad news. Those clamp battery terminals are bad, and that does not appear to be a large enough cable. The solenoid does not affect charging.
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ajax25
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Oh sh*t just realized I posted the wrong pic lol I have replaced the battery cable
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Bruce W
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That doesn’t look like a “brand new positive cable” to me. Im hoping that this is an old picture, taken before you replaced the cable.
“ The solenoid does not affect charging.” Not normally, but with a rat’s nest like that, who can be sure? BW I was typing while you were posting.
Edited by Bruce W - 05 June 2022 at 4:54pm |
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Posting with my phone sometimes it’s hard to find the right pic they are huge and aren’t labeled as anything specific when uploaded. Here is the right one…I think lol
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cpt logger
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OK, a couple of things, the first is those connections are not clean. The entire connection should be bright & shiny like the new cable is. Use a wire brush or sandpaper on all the metal connectors & the posts on the solenoid. Those two smaller wires coming out of the black plastic connectors with the embossed "16" on them, are they fusible links from the regulator perhaps? If not where do they go? What the heck do they feed? This is a 12 volt system right? I see a 12 volt battery & an alternator but alternators come in both 6 & 12 volts varieties. Yes, I have seen where a 12 volt battery was installed in a 6 volt system, it does not charge very well. The red wire coming from the alternator has a yellow butt connector, are either of the wires coming out of the butt connector loose? Heck, are any of the connections to the alternator loose or corroded? That new positive cable still looks kind of small to me. It might work for a 12 volt system in warmer climes. What size is it? What size is the cable from the solenoid to the starter? The blue ground cable from the battery to the frame or engine block is what size? It looks to be one size smaller than the positive cable, it should not be. Are the last two cables in need of replacement? Are they frayed or corroded? All the cables from the battery to the starter including the ground cable should be the same size, otherwise the smallest cable is limiting the amperage that the entire system can carry. Enough questions for now. IHTH, Cpt Logger.
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