Glass bowl Fuel Pump - OE or not? |
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samcj2a
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Topic: Glass bowl Fuel Pump - OE or not? Posted: 19 Sep. 2014 at 3:03pm |
Thanks to all who have posted their information and opinions in this thread. I am completely convinced that the 2As came from the factory with metal bowl fuel pumps. Just because your Jeep, now, 66 or more years later has a particular part on it does nothing to support the assertion that the part is original to the Jeep, at least for a part as easily replaced as a fuel pump. So, I am going to lock this thread. If you have documentation to post that supply Willys documentation that add new information, PM me and I will allow it to be posted.
Again, thanks to all who have contributed thus far. Edited by samcj2a - 19 Sep. 2014 at 4:05pm |
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LesBerg
Member Joined: 09 Apr. 2014 Location: Athol, ID Status: Offline Points: 1554 |
Posted: 19 Sep. 2014 at 4:58am |
I took the fuel pump off mine and cleaned it out a few weeks ago. I hadn't read this thread yet, so I didn't go hunting for numbers and such.
For what it's worth, my jeep is a 48, #157713 with a metal bowl. Of course, the motor isn't original to the CJ - the serial starts with 4L so it may not even be relevant. |
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1948 CJ2A 157713 24" Stretch "Old Ironsides"
1st Armored Div 6th Infantry Reg 3rd Infantry Bn Headquarters Company #161 rubigo in quo speramus - "In Rust we Trust" |
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waytay
Member Joined: 19 Sep. 2014 Location: maine Status: Offline Points: 45 |
Posted: 19 Sep. 2014 at 3:07am |
hello my 47 jeep cj 2a has a flathead l134 go devil in it and it has a metal fuel pumpbowl
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CHARLIE JEEP
Member Joined: 30 Sep. 2008 Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Points: 724 |
Posted: 18 Oct. 2010 at 3:34am |
Thanks Mike.
Could you help me with some drawing of the PTO shield ? Cheers, Charlie |
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CJ-2A #114467 1947 Slat Grill #124991 1942 SPEN trailer 1948
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lowenuf
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Posted: 18 Oct. 2010 at 2:26am |
Charlie, i am afriad that the '42 fuel pump was sold....sorry.... |
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45 #10033 ACM #47 45 #10163 ACM #188 57 CJ5 Dauntless V6, T-18 4-speed, D-44 rear/D-30 front, D-20 twin stick |
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CHARLIE JEEP
Member Joined: 30 Sep. 2008 Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Points: 724 |
Posted: 18 Oct. 2010 at 2:08am |
Hi Mike,
do you still have the fuel pump with a casting date of 42 ? Do you want to seel it ? I'm interested. How it looks ? Cheers, Charlie
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CJ-2A #114467 1947 Slat Grill #124991 1942 SPEN trailer 1948
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jeepfreek
Member Joined: 23 Feb. 2009 Location: arnprior ontario Status: Offline Points: 191 |
Posted: 18 Apr. 2009 at 6:43am |
hi. ive got a bunch of them old service bulletins.never really read them.i did notice in one of them about the changeover for the keyed ignition.it gave the new coil and switch number.this week i will have a look to see if they mention anything about fuel pumps.you have me thinking now.i have a cj2a boyer fire jeep with about 2600 orignal miles on it .its still in orignal red paint.i stored it away years ago .been busy with other projects.im going to have a look to see what is on it for a fuel pump.does anyone have knowledge about them out there.i read about them and found mine on the cj3b page.when this jeep was painted they didnt paint the inner fenders or the firewall.they are still in brown primer.it still has the orignal grey vinyl seats in it.regards jim
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ralf
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Posted: 18 Apr. 2009 at 3:45am |
The MB Gen glassset I just picked up has a glass bowl fuel pump
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1948 CJ2A 1953 Ford NAA Golden Jubilee Tractor 1941 J-3 Cub 1957 Farmall Cub Low Boy tractor 1942 Clarktor WW2 tug |
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samcj2a
Member Sponsor Member x 5 Joined: 21 Oct. 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Status: Offline Points: 8549 |
Posted: 17 Apr. 2009 at 4:29am |
Well, the '46 came from California! Too bad it's a little early, though.
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rocnroll
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Posted: 17 Apr. 2009 at 4:26am |
Sam, I think you just have one of those West coast jeeps.....
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'48 CJ2A Lefty "Common sense is not that common" |
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samcj2a
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Posted: 17 Apr. 2009 at 3:33am |
One of these days, someone will pop up with the bulletin or picture that will make my day! |
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Bob W
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Posted: 17 Apr. 2009 at 1:47am |
Sam,
Here is another reference to a fuel pump bowl, of course it's not about a CJ-2A :( |
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David Curtis
Member Joined: 28 Aug. 2008 Location: NC Status: Offline Points: 190 |
Posted: 28 Aug. 2008 at 1:21am |
I'm in the middle of a 1947 CJ-2a frame off restoration. This jeep seems to have all of the original componets, and mine has a glass bowl fuel pump. I hope this helps. dbc
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samcj2a
Member Sponsor Member x 5 Joined: 21 Oct. 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Status: Offline Points: 8549 |
Posted: 26 June 2008 at 7:56pm |
OJ,
Since the pump in question is off the Jeep, perhaps you could refer to this post http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=5482&PID=44839#44839 earlier in this thread and see if you can find any of the identifying numbers on that pump so we could date it and come a little closer to understanding when Willys might have started putting the glass bowl pumps on 2As.
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ojstephens
Member Joined: 02 July 2007 Location: Jamaica Vermont Status: Offline Points: 51 |
Posted: 26 June 2008 at 7:29pm |
Samcj2a, as you requested here i a tidbit about my glass fuel pump. I do not have 100% proof that I have the original but when I purchased my jeep it came with box's full of stuff, everthing very well labeled. In the box I have what is labled as the original fuel pump. I gather from the lables from the original owner that the jeep had some sort of hesitation and he thought it was a fuel pump problem. I think it turned out not to be a pump problem because the lable reads the original pump works fine. He replaced it with the pump that is in the jeep now, which also has a glass bowl. Thanks again for the info on the common sense fasteners!!!
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48 cj2a # 150059
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Bob W
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Posted: 20 Apr. 2008 at 7:14pm |
Here is another reference to metal bowls from TM-10-1348 change no. 1 September 19, 1942. Parts List for Model GPW.
"Bowl-fuel pump-metal", Ford part number GPW 9355, Willys part number A 1494. This doesn't really prove anything, just thought it was interesting. |
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samcj2a
Member Sponsor Member x 5 Joined: 21 Oct. 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Status: Offline Points: 8549 |
Posted: 14 Feb. 2008 at 1:38pm |
That's great, Bob. It sounds as though the glass bowl came first, was replaced by the metal bowl in the military Jeeps, that 2A production began with the metal bowls. From a 2A perspective, then, it seems as though the remaining question is if the factory ever started using glass bowls on 2As.
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Bob W
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Posted: 14 Feb. 2008 at 1:33pm |
Here is another tidbit from a 1941 article, here is the link...... http://sill-www.army.mil/famag/1941/DEC_1941/DEC_1941_PAGES_992_995.pdf
"Fuel Pumps.—The 17 types of fuel pumps used until recently on military vehicles have been reduced to two: one, the inverted bowl type used on the Bantam, Willys, Ford, Chevrolet and G.M.C.; the other type for all other QM vehicles. It was found necessary, however, to use a different type of rocker arm in the pump on different vehicles in order to permit installation in the location used on different engines. In order to prevent breakage of sediment bowls, a new metal type bowl has been designed to substitute for the conventional glass bowl and will be issued in the near future."
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