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    Posted: 27 Oct. 2014 at 5:25pm
Quick Question, has anyone purchased and used Herm The Overdrive Guys Manual steering conversion kit?
Here's my dalema. I thought I've been reaserching and bookmarking just about every thread on here for the past two years that I thought would help me with my build. I was wrong. I'am running a Saginaw steering manual steering box up front, and well just purchased a complete Ramsey 200R PTO Winch in excellent shape this last weekend, and now with more reasearch on this sight and others, I don't think I have the room between the rails to run both. See my dalema. I would really like to use both, and the only set up I have found has been HTOG setup. Anyone out there have any ideas and pictures they could share? Thank You in advance. I'll post pictures of the PTO when I receive it. Shipped today.
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Originally posted by Jesse 1946 Jesse 1946 wrote:

...... I would really like to use both, and the only set up I have found has been HTOG setup. ...
Are you referring to his reverse rotation setup?


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Jpet Yes that is the one. Here's the link I think. http://hermtheoverdriveguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/manual-steering.jpg
He sells a bolt on box to put the Saginaw box right behind the left motor mount. He also shows pictures of a customers install. Any thoughts would be GREAT. THANKS.
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I used the power steering one.  It looks different than that one.  It took some modification to be useable to my application.  I'd ask Herm if the pitman arm shaft is directly above the axle when installed and if so, how much clearance is in between.

Edit:  If you want to make your own bracket, you can buy the pitman arm by itself for around 80 bucks.
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Yea great question jpet, I'll ask him too. Over on the early cj5 page there's a thread where several people have used it but others chimed in with the concern about clearance also with the pitman arms. But no solid answers on that thread. Thought I'd try and get the answers here. Thanks.
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Also still doing research on my Saginaw box to see if i can use it as a reverse rotation setup. I know it's a GM Steering box from a 1967-1969 Camaro, thanks to the internet. I googled the casting numbers #5679142. Any thoughts? Thanks.
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As I said, this is a different setup, but seeing it may help you to ask Herm some educated question:


If we were to install the bracket as described on the instructions, the pitman arm shaft is directly above the axle.  It would have left less than two inches clearance.  Since your box is manual, it's smaller so you would have more.  We opted to cut a little out of the cross member but more importantly, we tilted the box more parallel to get the pitman arm on the outside of the axle.  It is still above the axle but it is not directly over the top.  Now there is 3" clearance.  I can modify the pitman arm shaft some to achieve 3-1/2"

Since your box is manual, you would not have to modify the cross member.  You could simply tilt the g'box some.  Then again you may not have to do any of that.  IDK.
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 ... another thing,  There is no way that I can see that the power steering conversion would have worked with a stock radiator but then again, your's is manual so the box is not as long.  If i were you i would want some pics where you can clearly see the pitman arm to the axle, and the g'box relationship to the stock radiator and stock cross member
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Great build thread, I'll have to go check it out. A couple more things for you to chew on. I rescued this rolling chassis from a V-8 build, and the PO Had already done some mods to it. Center cross member has been cut out and replaced with angle iron. He even notched it for the steering box. Also he added New Ranchero 2" lift springs which I will be using. Maybe this will aid in some clearance issues. Great questions to ask Herm. I'll research a little more here and there before I call him. Thanks. Let's see if I can post a picture of my frame. Thanks Again.



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Well that didn't work. Let me try again.
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If you are willing to sacrifice the front cross member, your options are greatly expanded.  That was not an option for me since my goal was to appear stock as much as possible.
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Hmmm I didn't think about that, yea I am not to fond of that cross member. Hmmm. so swaping out the cross member could help give me more room. More Research, any suggestions. Thanks to the PO i lost the option to keep it  STOCK. That won't happen with my recent barn find 1942 GPW #29857 which is next.
Thanks again Jpet, I think your on to something.

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Originally posted by jpet jpet wrote:

If you are willing to sacrifice the front cross member, your options are greatly expanded.  That was not an option for me since my goal was to appear stock as much as possible.
Now that i think about it, I have seen some custom cross members over on the CJ5 Page that may help. Sometimes the simple solutions can slap you in the face, GREAT IDEA!!! I knew i could find the right answers here. thanks again Jpet.


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Just throwing this in!, the GM box is in the way of the winch, and looking at jpets Ford box, it looks like the winch driveshaft would be in the path of the Ford box ?. the driveshaft is tight on a stock rig.

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Shouldn't this all be moved over to the Modified from original section?  You better watch out Sam will get youLOL

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Originally posted by WeeWilly WeeWilly wrote:

Shouldn't this all be moved over to the Modified from original section?  You better watch out Sam will get youLOL

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Well this started out being a General Question, I started out thinking it should be in the modified thread, but thought I would get more feed back here. if I knew how to move it I would. I too am waiting for Sam to get me.

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So the Big Brown truck delivered my Ramsey Pto Winch on Saturday,  any suggestions and pictured how members have modified there front crossmember to accomadate both the winch, and Saginaw manual steering box. As you can see from previous photo of crossmember that PO installed I have options of replacing it. Thanks ahead of time.




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First I would advise anyone wanting to do this Ford Bronco (HTOG) to not do it, not enough axle clearance.
Move winch, move anything but the steering box. Just set one up for a guy down in Arizona with a 1969 CJ-5, Buick V-6, T-86, D-18 and a Viking winch mounted where the PS gearbox would be. I told him to get a regular PS Box, and move the winch up & forward with a new mount. He did not so I had to make a bump stop so he would not break his box on axle, had to customize the steering shaft, went with electric fan.
So now he has a Jeep that can not go over anything bigger than a speed bump, it was not a complete kit, just a mount with instructions, had to source every thing.
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