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otto
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Your panel forming is good, stick with it.
The limitations of the flux core setup will be apparent when you start the welding process. A proper MIG or TIG will give much better results. And practice, practice, practice on scrap before ever touching your tub. You will thank yourself for it. If you want, please refer to the Body Shop Tips thread in the How To section, or see my Parts Jeep Trail Build thread in the projects section where I detail much of what I did during the same repairs. Good luck!
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47 CJ2A w/fuel injected boat engine
48 CJ2A 64 Ford Econoline Travelwagon If you can't get there in a Jeep, get a motorcycle! |
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Michaeltru
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Nice work. I think you have the skills to get your jeep the way you want it. Metalshaper has some good videos on YouTube and panels can be purchased from a number of vendors. But you appear to be having fun making your own. So keep having fun whichever way you go
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Mike in AZ
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TheOwl
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Thank you! Your body shop tips thread in the how to section and your build thread are great and full of useful info. I will keep practicing before trying to attach the panels to the actual jeep.
I have seen metalshaper's videos. That's how I got convinced that I may be able to do *some* patch panels myself. The more complicated stuff I will probably be getting from Classic Enterprises
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BlueBaron
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Welcome from the Saratoga Area.
I love the looks of the high hood. |
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jpoole
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Great looking 3B. It may have some rust but looks like a lot of straight sheet metal otherwise and definitely worth fixing if you have the time. Which welder from HF do you have? I've got the smallest Titanium/DC flux core welder from there and while my consistency isn't great it's done a nice job with some of the sheet metal I've used it on. I found the Youtube videos showing my specific welder and different techniques very helpful though there are tons of great howtos to find there. Looking forward to seeing your progress on the 3B
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TheOwl
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Thank you for the comments! I have the same Titanium flux core welder. I have had it for some time and it has been useful. It is actually surprisingly good quality for HF, but I am not sure flux core is consistent enough for doing a lot of butt welding on sheet metal, and having to clean the slag of the flux core after is also not great. I have seen videos on Youtube of people doing body work with the same/similar flux core welders, but my experience trying to do it was frustrating. The first small mistake and the metal warps or it burns through. Also, I am sometimes skeptical of Youtube videos. May look great on camera, but not sure how great it would look in person or how much bondo it will require. I just bought a cheap multi-process welder from Amazon to see if that works better. Will try MIG with 0.023 wire. If I cannot get good/consistent results with that setup, I may have an excuse to buy a not so cheap welder with better controls/fine tuning.
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Barry S
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Welcome aboard from NE Ohio! Your 3B looks like a solid start. Judging by your skills on the generator and the drain hole you are going to do great! Those are projects that a lot of folks would have been afraid to tackle.
If you have the courage to push the envelope you'll discover new skills. I never used a sewing machine before and just finished making a canvas top! (My wife showed me how to use the machine.) Lots of great resources here and really helpful folks. Above all - have fun with it! Looking forward to watching your progress! -Barry
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1947 CJ2A 90729 194? CJ2A 04893/194304 1946 CJ2A 46745 1946 CJ2A 36723 1945 MB 413665 1971 CJ5 8305017 375392 Drive train parts donor Bantam Trailer T3-C 25487 |
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TheOwl
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Thank you! I tried the sewing thing for the seat covers, but my wife took pity on me and finished it. They came out nicely. Bad thing is that I chose the wrong type of fabric and now they are completely destroyed again. Lasted a couple months. Edited by TheOwl - 06 Jan. 2022 at 8:31pm |
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LuzonRed47
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I used to think 3Bs were ugly. Now I think they're cool, thanks to constantly looking at a restored red 3B on Bill Norris's Jeep calendar. I'd buy a 3B if a decent one comes my way.
Regarding welders, save up for a Hobart, Miller, or Lincoln machine. For Jeep body work all you need is a 110-V machine. The ChiCom units put the "horror" in Horror Freight, IMO. |
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CJ2A #140275 "Ziggie" (purchased new by my dad in 1947)
ACM #124334 CJ3A windshield, Warn Overdrive 1953 Strick M100 trailer Serial #18253 |
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bight
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haha:
i call it Harbor Fright! double whammy: Horror Fright
Edited by bight - 07 Jan. 2022 at 12:43pm |
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CJ-2A 72586 tan (stock)
CJ-2A 197624 green (resto-mod) the wife abides (def: to bear patiently; TOLERATE) |
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LuzonRed47
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Bight, you hit the nail on the head!
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CJ2A #140275 "Ziggie" (purchased new by my dad in 1947)
ACM #124334 CJ3A windshield, Warn Overdrive 1953 Strick M100 trailer Serial #18253 |
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Hazard fraught
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1947 CJ2A #88659 "Rat Patrol"
1953 CJ3A #453-GB1 11266 "Black Beauty" 1964 Thunderbird convertible ..... & one of them moves under it's own power!! |
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Scratch
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Horrible Freight...
Horror Fright... Hazard Fraught... Harbor Fright Lots of great nicknames, but lets be realistic... we all have something bought from there. |
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44 GPW 230283 OD 46 CJ2A 50100 Tan 46 CJ2A 77632 Wht 47 CJ2A 141681 Grn 48 CJ2A 156240 Red/Yel 48 CJ2A "Lefty" 181341 Red 61 CJ5 123120 Tan 03 TJ Inca Gld |
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bight
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so true
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CJ-2A 72586 tan (stock)
CJ-2A 197624 green (resto-mod) the wife abides (def: to bear patiently; TOLERATE) |
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drm101
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Very nice Jeep and welcome! I have a Snap-On 140 welder that was made by Lincoln. I bought it used. I see them for sale all the time for $150-$300. I can still get parts for it at the Local welding store, and it's great for sheet metal. I've had it for 15 years. My only complaint is that it is heavy. I think if I was starting from scratch I might spring for a tig welder. Much prettier welds, and you can weld aluminum.
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Dean
'47 CJ2A "Mud Hen" The less the Power the More the Force |
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TheOwl
Member Joined: 23 Jan. 2021 Location: Upstate NY Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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I tried MIG welding on a test piece (I am using a cheap chinese multi process welder from Amazon.. I've been searching for months on craigslist/facebook for a proper machine but there is nothing in my area, and a new one is out of budget. I figured I will give this a try and return if it is a lemon). I am using 0.030 wire, CO2 (I read 75/25 would be better for sheet metal, but I had a cylinder of CO2 so I am giving it a try), and the machine is set at 17.5V 57A. This is what I started with. It was pretty straight: I made a piece of copper with magnets to attach to the back to absorb heat: This is how it turned out front (after grinding) and back. I know there are pinholes still, but I was just testing the setup, so I didn't make an effort to go beyond this: Despite my efforts of going slowly and tacking different sections at a time, it did warp a bit: This was much better than my previous attempt with flux core, and probably workable. However, I want to figure this out better before doing anything in the tub. I have a couple questions for the experts: 1. Should I be getting more penetration in the back? 2. Is some degree of warping unavoidable in sheet metal? Or can it be eliminated? I should probably make a thread in the projects section to post how things progress.
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jhg
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There seems a lot of inclusions in the bead and thats something to learn how to limit. Also, research wire. There is the type/size of course but also quality. A cheap welder will do way better with good wire over what is off the shelf at tractor supply or etc.
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1948 cj2a. Rebuilt L-head, steering, T90, WO 636, steering, brake lines. So far.
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otto
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I might suggest trying some 0.023" wire rather than the 0.030".
For me, I'd like to see a little more penetration in the weld. Mostly so you can work the metal after welding to get the warping out of it. You want to weld the two pieces together and then grind it down so it reacts like a single sheet of steel when working the metal. A weak weld will break during this process. A lot of the time warpage is unavoidable and you'll just have to mitigate for it later with hammers and dollys, shrinking disc, etc.
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47 CJ2A w/fuel injected boat engine
48 CJ2A 64 Ford Econoline Travelwagon If you can't get there in a Jeep, get a motorcycle! |
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