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    Posted: 11 Jan. 2018 at 8:02am
Hello all. I'm new to the forum but not rebuilding Jeeps. Refurbed a 72 CJ5 a year ago and I can't get rid of the virus. So, I found the next project to occupy my time and drain my wallet. The PO said he "drove it up there three years ago" -BUT- it smoked A LOT after replacing the piston rings. He said he drove it 3 or 4 miles and the smoke abated a little, but still a mosquito killer. He was discourage and quit. So now it's mine. After getting it home and melting the snow what I found seems to be a mis-mash of many things Jeep. From the research I've done on the forum I believe the engine, frame, and tub are from different eras. 






Does the glove box offer any clues on the type of tub?




Kaiser "Supersonic" head. Casting 141422

Serial number stamped on boss near water pump U81198A. Above the serial number is stamped 644.
Also, what is that sheet metal fin under the water pump bolt?
Block casting numbers 10-19 641087-L-W7 A N1-CR-N2    with a CC above all that.

Carb is a Carter WO 146-249

Transmission T90A-1
Tranfer is a Spicer 18


Rear diff with tag 43:8


Front diff with same tag, 43:8



The steering bell crank is mounted on the frame cross tube, not the axle. PO said it was all together, flat fenders and a 9 slot grill!

What I found so far:
-engine is from a '48 wagon or truck. 
-frame not sure. CJ2 or 3?
-Tub. No idea.
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Thanks in advance for any advice.

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I'm guessing the shield is to keep from blowing the flame out of the spark plugs... LOL  seriously looks like a bubba mod to help keep water spray from the fan off the spark plugs during a water crossing
 
yep jeep salad... bunch of parts tossed together to keep it running, are the carb mount bolts inline with the crankshaft or 90 deg to it( Kaiser motor had the different intake and super sonic head, same motor as jeep Lhead though 


Edited by jeeper50 - 11 Jan. 2018 at 8:25am
'53 Cj3B 4 cyl D25/D44 lockrights,11" brakes, Warn 5687 ol skool winch.
'46 CJ2A Barnfind project, rear PTO drum pulley, original paint, front 11" brakes.

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The glove box and 9-Slot grill do give clues.... They appear to be military, Ford GPW Or Willys MB. No tailgate also could indicate military.... Cool find, enjoy!
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5.38 gears, bell crank on cross tube, t90 transmission, Those are CJ characteristics. Grill, no tailgate and glove box are military.
Weird stuff  going on in the bed.
Looks like a fun mystery to sort out.

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Welcome!

It is hard to tell what you have - looks like it will be a great project!

Here is what I see:  It does have some early civilian (CJ2 / WW2) Jeep favor -  Grill, glove box.  The rear of the tub is custom.  With all that snow I cant see any CJ2A bow pockets or bracket.  Dana 25 has the heavy (sought after heavy metal front cover).  The frame does not have extender mounted under the bump stops like the farm jeeps had - but the front exhaust manifold stud is long like is used when a governor is installed.  Supersonic head is nice and give an few extra horse.  It has a Cj2a/3a parking brake.  Looks like a 6 volt generator based no step in the back of the case.  The key coil mount looks like it is being used as a bracket to hold a coil in the engine compartment.  Hard to tell but it appears to not have a skid plate on the engine oil pan.

All good stuff to build a cool trail jeep.


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Many Jeeps in there. ( Like a bunch of them are after 70 years roaming around)

Also look like a decent start for a project.
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Bubba flat-out molested that tub.  If it was actually an MB/GPW tub, it sure isn't now, though the glovebox certainly suggests MB/GPW.  Can't tell if it's an actual MB/GPW grille.  It might be repro, though the OD on that front fender may argue against it.  The back end of the tub is Bubba custom, as is the front floor. 

The rear axle is a Dana 41, so that's 2A.  So the sheetmetal may be WWII and the frame and running gear 2A.  Not restoration material, just make it go and have fun!
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Welcome to the "nobody cares how I build it club"

Mine currently has parts from 27 different Jeeps (many of them new service parts from much later years then the 1948 title) They include Body mount brackets and the right motor mount from a 1946 CJ-2A Frame from 1957ish CJ-5 engine from a 1959 DJ-3A rear axle from a 70 1/2-71 CJ-5 Front axle from a 1948 CJ-2A (the one from the title) The Clutch is mid 1960's CJ-5 the Brakes late 1960's Wagoneer, Steering Jeepster Commando like, Master cylinder 1972 CJ-5 Windshield 49 CJ-3A and on and on.

If you want a near perfect restoration your going to need to start with a different critter. If you want a fun jeep Build it how you want. Your not going to be responsible for messing up a piece of history.
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1949 3A W/S
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Thanks to everyone's critical-eye identifying the ingredients of my jeep salad. I agree it is not restoration material, but it will be fun to bring back to life regardless. The local chatter has already reached "a guy who knows a guy" and I sourced a correct radiator. This guy had parts, frames, and engines. And I spotted a restoration worthy -2a for my follow-on project in his storage shed (he doesn't know this just yet). I think I need medical help. Anyway, this critter will be my focus for the foreseeable future. 

The crankshaft turned over easily by hand. The carb throat was well sealed with duct tape. There was no water in the engine oil. Removed spark plugs and squirted some oil into the cylinders and rotated the crankshaft by hand a few revolutions. With the spark plugs still removed, placed a battery in and spun the engine with the starter to remove excess oil. Then did a compression check:

1-115, 2-115, 3-90, 4-115

Feeling the wind at my back, I cleaned and replaced the spark plugs, traced the wires from from the key to the coil to the distributor and repaired all loose/bad connections. Filed burnt points and reset gap. Installed newly sourced radiator and rigged up a temporary fuel tank system. With my trusty fire extinguisher nearby, the engine started! Big smile And smoked! This prompted a drivetrain evaluation as the shop's atmosphere was rapidly loosing its ability to support human life. It moved out of the shop under its own power to idle for awhile. 

After a while, (I was too excited to provide an accurate elapsed time) the engine temp reached 180. Then 200. At 210 I shut it down. Very minimal smoke at this point. Pushed it back in the shop and after it cooled pulled the thermostat housing. Searched this forum on my handy mobile device and discovered more bubba fixes. The spacer for the thermostat was a piece of radiator hose jammed in the housing, and there was not a 1/8" hole drilled in the thermostat. Those parts are on order.
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Questions:

- Can anyone identify this water pump? I may replace it for good measure. You saw the snow. I will need a heat system.
- Ugly ugly ugly front frame. Any suggestions on the best quality replacement front frame rails?





Enough rusty photos. I'll finish this post with a shiny picture of my '72 CJ-5. I drive it most days....except if its -15F outside, or above 80F, or if it snowing, or raining. My wife calls her Goldilocks; she only come out if its juuust right!



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Originally posted by Bob 201 Bob 201 wrote:




You're such a tease...  Let us have a better look at that blue beauty.
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I don't want to hijack my own thread, but here are a few more photos of the '72. The LED shop lights and phone camera make hue a bit lighter. The photo above is a more representative color. 

Stock 232 I6. New timing gears and chain. 88K and still strong.
T14 three speed. I rebuilt with Novak kit. 
86 CJ7 pedals with Novak hydraulic slave clutch kit (pedals are a royal pain to make fit, Novak stuff easy)
86 CJ5 steering column (another PIA mod)
32/36 Weber carb
JB Custom Fabricators transfer case shift levers (original was single-lever, didn't work well at all)
Drop-in HEI ignition by CRT Performance (drop-in distributor, add power wire, drive away. Lick and stick!)
Another heater is under the wood center consul. (I spent a lot of time fitting original heater in the fiberglass tub, what a waste of said time. Stock heater outputs noise, no heat.)
Hurculiner on interior surfaces. (smelly stuff to apply, but tough and looks nice.)

A  sprayed the paint in his body shop. For payment I welded in body panels on rusted trucks. Now I'm there 4 days a week and have a new friend.








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Although my '89 YJ is red (they didn't make a blue I liked in '89) blue is my favorite color.  I like the 5! 
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