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    Posted: 28 July 2020 at 9:11pm
Hi guys, great site this is. I can not thank you guys enough for all the help that I received while restoring my '46. Almost near completion, I will down load all pics soon! Anyways I was driving home from work last week and spotted this Jeep for sale. I stopped, looked it over and decided to buy it. The price was cheap enough. I was hoping perhaps you fellas could tell me what I have. Okay here it goes: 
No numbers on the boss above the water pump
No numbers on toe gusset drivers side
non tailgate jeep
no "Ford" or "Willys" on the rear
no frame tag
glove box door missing
Passenger side firewall stamped F12695 (located where the cj2a tags would be)
engine block #908756
tool indents driver side
different style axle stops for rear axle. 


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Loois like a MB that has been changed a fair amount over the years.
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Looks like an MB body on a 2a frame. 
Nmcb74? Isn’t that a reserve CB battalion? I worked a lot with those guys at Roosevelt Roads, PR in the late 80s.
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Dang! I shoulda done a lot more drivin around upstate! Especially since I finally finished accumulating everything for my 2A to MB look-a-like! Cry
I'm suspecting others will chime in and provide the educated info!. The grille is a 2A grille but the tub is either one of the remaining war tubs used at the end of the war or the grille changed. The dash and tool boxes says MB! But then, an MB or GPW wouldn't have the fuel fill neck!
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74 Does More!  I was in NMCB 74 in the 80s.  They were an active duty Seabee battalion, they were decommissioned about 5 or 6 years ago.   That jeep looks like it started life as an MB and has seen quite a few changes over the years.   The engine, or at least the head is later.  Are those M38 parking lights in the CJ grill?  
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It is probably a Willys MB body, but could be GPW. If the toolbox lids in the back were still there it would give a better clue, but it is a WW2 military body with modification for the CJ2A fuel tank. Notice the half round area in the center of the floor riser, that is where a machine gun mount would have been on the original frame cross member.

The engine is Willys but I think CJ2A not WW2 judging by the head, but a lot of WW2 engines ended up with later heads so can't tell from the pictures. If there is a rivet looking piece in the center of the timing cover that would be the plunger post for a chain drive cam engine which would place the engine in WW2 or early CJ.
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Looks like an MB body on a 2a frame so there is a bit of hocus pocus going on to make it fit... particularly the body mounts. I can see that the shift tower cover plate doesn't match up and the opening for the transfer case levers has be altered to make room for the longer t90 tranny. Judging by the engine block casting number, the engine looks to be a very late L head...late 50s early 60s.  

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Good Morning NMCB74:

Two quick questions. 

1) What do the toe board supports look like?  If they are the stamped variety they could be GPW or later, post late 1943 Willys.  If they were made on a break with very sharp angles at the bends it is probably a Willys body. 

2) What type of front cross member -- a round curved tube?  -- Willys.  Or a rectangular straight box?  -- Ford.

Your pictures did not show any of those areas.

Hope this helps.

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What are the possibilities its a early one size fits all reproduction tub? 
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The circular depressions for the rear tool boxes are an indication of a Willys... Nice score! Thumbs Up
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"What are the possibilities its a early one size fits all reproduction tub?"

It is not an early reproduction tub. Depending on how "early" there are noticeable differences to an original tub. Someone pointed out something else about the tool boxes which indicates a Willys MB body.

Besides, it takes about 75 years to develop that kind of "patina" and I don't think MD Juan was in business that long ago. 

I like the liberal application of Duct tape, gives it some "character" but I have seldom seen it used to patch holes in a body.


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correct MD Juan has only been making jeeps since 1969.
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Yep, my uncle Ben bought one out of a JC Whitney mail order catalog around then. It worked fine for his hunting Jeep, but there were a lot of differences between it and the wrecked and rusty GPW tub it replaced. He didn't care about that, he just wanted something with solid floors in it. 

My other uncle "Tubby" had a Willys MB we also took on hunting trips. He participated in the Army field trials when the Cavalry mechanized so was more familiar with Jeeps than most were. He is the one who spotted most of the differences in the reproduction tub.

I thought you were kidding about the possibility of that one being an early reproduction, sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't trying to be a smart acre. 
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The cross member is of the round type
The gussets look like this.
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NMCB 74 was an active Battalion. They were decommissioned in July of '14. I served '91-'94 as a BU!
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Pics of the timing cover.
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It’s a ACM2 body on a cj2a frame. 
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Interesting patch on the timing cover?

Joe already identified the motor as being late CJ, so it is not a chain drive cam engine. That "patch", if that is what it is, could just be an adaptation of an early timing cover by removing the plunger stud, and patching the hole, or the "patch" could just be a piece of tape covered in grease.

I like the "salad" some of these old Jeeps have become, it is part of their history, and shows that the Jeep was important enough to someone along the line to do whatever they could to keep it rolling. For the same reason I like to see the creative field engineering so many folks blame on someone named "Bubba".

I know it looks bad in some ways, but that body tub is not beyond repair. I have seen worse brought back from the dead. 

I am building an MB clone on a late 48 CJ2A frame (CJ3A frame but motor stands indicate it was used in late run CJ2A), with M38 A1 Marine surplus axles, a early fifties L134 government contract replacement chain drive engine, and a reproduction MB body. Just tossing a salad that may confuse folks after I am gone. 




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