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    Posted: 22 June 2019 at 5:09am
Need ID help please.
Motor is supposed to be from a 1952 3A
What do you guys think?
Would a '52 have the different bell housing . motor bolt pattern like the later '50s had?
Serial # is visible in pic.

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The number visible in the pic is a casting number, not a serial number...  a quick search for 806279 keeps coming back as an F head (so it can't be original to a 3A, but could have come out of one)

Is it an F head?
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Serial number is on top of block deck behind water pump. Stamped numbers about 1/4" - 5/16" tall.
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It is an L head motor . Ad says it's out of a '52 3A.  BUT who knows
Does come with trans, x-fer. , drive shafts, and radiator.
Sitting outside worries me a lot though. 
Guy is asking $250.00  Is that a fair price?
Want to pick up a good motor for a rebuild.
Sorry I did mean casting # --- had a senior momentBig smile

Thanks for helping me once again!!!



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I think its a fair price with all the bolt on items... even if its locked up.
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Yup. It's an F head.
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Looks like an “F” head to me, also has the taller 4WD shift lever common to post CJ2A Jeeps, a deal at $250 👍🏽

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Originally posted by Lee (MN) Lee (MN) wrote:

Looks like an “F” head to me, also has the taller 4WD shift lever common to post CJ2A Jeeps, a deal at $250 👍🏽

Lee

Darn, you guys are correct, it is a F head.  Already have one of those. I need glasses for my glasses!!  If any of you want it, it is listed in CL, gardnerville, NV, next to Carson City.  Turned down 4  F heads with bell housings and such for $800.00. No place to store them.

Just need a good L head to rebuild. Like to find a late model one.

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OK guys
What  is this motor out off?  
It has a vacuum advance dist. Kaiser?
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lol.... is this a test?  "Salad" LOL

The unribbed head with Willys and Jeep is a '44-'45 MB head, possibly very early 45 2A

The 804380 block casting is typically late M38 (or possibly DJ3A?)... check the waterpump boss for an MC or RMC serial number

The vac advance dizzy is kaiser or Willys truck/wagon

and the engine plate has offset tabs so its at least 3A....

The intake is the correct bore and orientation.

FWIW, For the right price I'd pick it up simply because the block and head are desirable to folks doing M jeeps, and all things being equal there's no reason those parts wouldnt work together and run down the road...

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Looks like an M38 water pump as well!...

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This last L-134 engine may have the hardened valve seats too. My guess is this is one of the features you're hoping for in your quest for a later block. 
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Originally posted by athawk11 athawk11 wrote:

This last L-134 engine may have the hardened valve seats too. My guess is this is one of the features you're hoping for in your quest for a later block. 
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Well what a "NORMAL" mess.

Yes I am after a late production L-block such what's used in M38's and up.  Person wants $300.00  for it or best offer.  Wrote to seller to look for a motors serial #.  

You guys are fantastic in helping!!!!

Question,   Where are you getting the data on blocks, heads,  from?  I have spent hours trying to find the source..

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I just noticed that in the first pic on the right side is another block. hmmmmmm
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Originally posted by jeepsterjim jeepsterjim wrote:

Question,   Where are you getting the data on blocks, heads,  from?  I have spent hours trying to find the source..

Well obviously we have no life and nothing else to do LOL... There is good information spread across most of the major flatty sites, and nuances to most of it, but one of the best (to me) for bare bones general info is

http://ww2jeeps.com/ and the links there with pics...

So, everything is a situation, but I like not to pay more than 100-150ish for one sitting like the salad is in the pic.  Basically try to only pay for what you can see, and not more than you can walk away from, lol.  There are so many bad things that can be under the head or inside the pan you can get way upside down in a hurry, but if you need it you need it.  I have the luxury of not needing at this point.  The salad gets a push from the MB head, and another for the potential M38 block.  If the crank turns with a wrench all the better.  What your gambling on is that the head is crack free, and the block isn't already tired at .060 over (gulp...0.080 over?) ...or cracked.  With that said, if you're going into it with full intentions on sending it out and having everything done anyway, your odds get better.

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I am after the block. If my feeble memory recalls, the later blocks are stronger and have more bell housing to motor bolts.

I have a bell housing, flywheel--with the 91/4" pressure plate bolt pattern, starter, generator,
 from a 1960 cj5. S0 a late Lhead would fit well. I plan on rebuilding the L head along with  my SS head.

Yes it is a risky chance when buying this old stuff.  Pure stock or the salad variety. WHAT FUN!!!LOL

I am going to offer $150.00 for everything and see what gives.

 Left my cell number with the seller and it is only 20 minutes away.

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Seller sent me a pic of the motor's serial #
Won't be able to see the motor till Thursday.
What does these # tell?      3J156747?????

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the plot thickens... "3J" makes it a cj3a... welcome to the nuance.

ETA: Bob Westerman does note the 804380 casting as a late casting number for the 3A Smile

 The early block casting number is 641087 and the late block casting number is 804380. There are also a few transition blocks with casting number 641087 and the large flange. Block casting numbers are found just above the oil pan on the passenger side.


ETAA:  Interestingly enough, while the 3A database does not track engine casting numbers, the last "3J" number listed is "3J14208x"  (I assume the x means a digit is there but unreadable).  There are a few '53 3A's listed after but with different format ESNs... 


I guess I'm suggesting that "3J156747" looks to be very late 3A, but confusing.  Even if I take the last jeep listed in the database and assume the ESN of "(3?)J-146699", that's jeep number 18912 (the 8912th unit in '53).... add 10,048 units to get to your 156747 you get way past the last 3A of "20617" Confused


ETAAA: strangely enough, the database has no other ESNs in the 150k or 160k range, but '50 CJ3A 59359 does list "3J172924"...  my only thought would be it may be a factory replacement engine, though they generally get a prefix "R" or "4LR", etc....Hmmmm


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