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jpet
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Posted: 27 Aug. 2009 at 4:14pm |
I have consolidated some of the technical information and pictures that I could find on Link Belt winches:
Tech Q&A
Genl' Discussion
So I did use the search engine before asking this question.
What is the radius supposed to be on this edge?
How tall is the flange?
This one has a piece of angle iron welded on it
Original:
FYI:
The ratio is 75:1 reduction and the pitch is 8
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jpet
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Does anyone know why some of the winches have different mounting plates than others? Recent ebay post:
Mine:
Lindsay Clark's:
capstanwinch.com (repo)
Mine looks the same as Golden48's and Lindsay's (except for the welding mods) but the one on ebay looks different. Edited by jpet - 01 Sep. 2009 at 8:31pm |
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the one on ebay was thought to be home brewed.....there was only one mount for the 2A, however, the wartime mount(s) will interchange...
mount(s) = 1. for the jeep itself....2.was for the GPA or amphibious unit...
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tony
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Ditto, what Low said...
Lindsays is the real deal as it looks like your, yours looks to have a few extra holes....
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jpet
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Can anyone out there give me some more detailed information on this drive setup?
What size is the drive shaft connecting the two "U" joints? What size are these splines and how many? Is there a roller bearing(s) in the clutch assembly? What size? Thanks! jpet |
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jpet
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Thanks I'm good with all that. Does anyone have any information or pics on the drive shaft and clutch assembly?
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Bill Norris
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Jpet,
For what its worth, the base plates Dave the was selling on capstanwinch.com were a bit different. He claimed it made it easier to install. Not sure how true that is, but a stock one is a bit of a hemorhoid to put on. His shift handles didn't fit right either and his warning plate was not the right size.
Not sure what you mean by a roller bearing in the clutch assembly. It just slides back and forth on the splies, unless I am envisioing the wrong part.
Unfortunately, my Jeep is tucked away for the winter, so I can't get at it to look for you.
Bill
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Roger B
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Jeff,
I will look this up later today.
In the meantime here are some pics of a mix of Braden and Link Belt winches
Roger Edited by Roger B - 10 Dec. 2010 at 9:19am |
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jpet
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I'm talking about this: This one has a bronze bushing in it. I'm not sure if that is original or a repair. Obviously it does not have a roller bearing though. I'm guessing this part is either a steel casting with bronze bushing, or it is an iron casting with or without bushing? Here is a picture of the spline: (I think this is a Braden) Does the Link Belt look the same? What is the OD of the spline? At your leisure of course. Edited by jpet - 10 Dec. 2010 at 1:31pm |
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Roger B
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Jeff,
The front flange on the winch is 1 1/2" and the radius is the same as the radius at the folding at the back.
At the top you have a complete original CJ2A shaft. Shaft diameter between the U joints is 7/8"
The splined shaft is 3/4" and the splines are 6
The lower one is from capstanwinch.com (stated it´s made with WWII U joints)
Original demolished clutchbracket, no roller bearing, only a bronze bushing.
One of the long "nuts" which attach to the engine.
A repro clutchbracket "Made in Netherlands" you could see this one is welded together, bought long before capstanwinch.com made these.
Engaged
Disengaged
Please let me know if you think the pics are to large, then I will rezise them in the future
Jeff, let me know if you need any measurements or other pics. Always at your service! I´m in the Capstan Wnch mode now!
Roger
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1946 CJ2A Serial # 22728 Harvest Tan in parts
1947 CJ2A Serial #101548 Luzon Red Only 16000 km 1947? Bantam T3-C Serial # 20006 |
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russnj
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I have a complete braden setup if you need any info/dimensions. Also I have a an two drive assemblies if you need one for a sample let me know.
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Roger B
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Since we are talking Capstan Winches here: Elsewere on the forum it was discussed if the fairlead roller brackets should have 4 holes (late WWII) or 2 holes (postwar)
I think this CJ2A have 4 hole fairlead brackets!
Does anyone know when this pic is taken?
Roger
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1946 CJ2A Serial # 22728 Harvest Tan in parts
1947 CJ2A Serial #101548 Luzon Red Only 16000 km 1947? Bantam T3-C Serial # 20006 |
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lowenuf
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July 18, 1945 at Cesor Farms, was the "introduction day" for the CJ2A to the world, by invitation only of course....
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russnj
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You get that from the BOM!
Sorry Mike, I just had to do it! |
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Very close... It's from Barney Roos's personal photo album at the Cornell University Archive
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Fred Coldwell
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We know that the Link Belt capstan winch was developed in late 1944 as a
possible replacement for the weaker Braden J-2 capstan winch. Earlier
field reports indicated the Braden gears stripped under heavy load and
the rope had a tendency to ride up and off the capstan head. The Link
Belt capstan winch model WZ-88-37 was developed as an experimental
military part. During development it was given Willys-Overland (WO)
experimental (E) part number AE-17304. But in December 1944 it was
given a civilian part number 640807, suggesting it was released for
production (use) on the CJ-2A civilian jeep.
Nevertheless, Gary has posted on G503 some excellent 12/44 dated blue prints showing how the Link Belt could be installed on a MB/GPW. The drawings are included in this thread as part of the interesting discussion on whether the Link Belt capstan winch was ever actually used on late war military jeeps: http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=146514 To solve the problem of the rope running up and off the capstan head during use, Willys-Overland also developed in November 1944 a rope roller guide. It was given experimental military part number AE-17328 but was released for production with a civilian part number 640821. The roller guide is shown below with the Link Belt capstan winch in Gary's 12/44 drawing: Because it was not specific to the Link Belt, I have always wondered whether the rope guide roller was ever used on a MB/GPW having the Braden J-2. Over the years I have seen the guide roller installed on a few MB/GPW jeeps with the Braden J-2 capstan winch. But I always questioned whether that combination was correct or just a mixing of parts by the jeep owner. Well, now we have an answer. Lubrication Order 9-803 issued on July 16, 1945 shows the rope guide roller used on a MB/GPW having a Braden J-2 capstan winch. This convinces me the rope guide roller could have been issued in 1945 for use on Braden capstan winch equipped military jeeps and that this combination is correct for a WW II jeep. When was the winch roller guide issued? The 7-16-45 version of LO 9-803 tells us it had been authorized by mid-1945, but was it authorized earlier? The December 30, 1944 version of LO 9-803 might tell us. That version was issued after the guide roller had been developed. So, could someone with a copy of the December 30, 1944 version of LO 9-803 please tell us whether it includes the winch guide roller and kindly post a copy here? Thank you. Enjoy! Edited by Fred Coldwell - 11 Dec. 2010 at 6:52am |
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Happy Jeep Trails,
Fred Coldwell Denver, CO 1944 CJ2-09 - X-33 1945 CJ2-26 - X-50 |
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