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Texwing ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 08 Nov. 2012 Location: Planp Status: Offline Points: 176 |
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I cant figure this one out, my 1946 CJ2a, which i have driven just briefly after buying, smoked like crazy, but ran well and had good oil pressure. Fresh oil. I recently drove it just a bit and in first gear, going slowly, the engine just stopped and is now just locked up tight, starter will not budge it. Rocking the jeep in gear will get no engine movement. Any thought on what might have caused such a low speed lock up, and what i might do? thanks in advance.
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Schimms15 ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jan. 2011 Location: milwaukee, Wisc Status: Offline Points: 2948 |
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wow, was it not getting any oil, were you that low on oil? pull the stater it could be jammed in the fly wheel, then try to turn the engine by either the nut or the fly wheel ( put her in neutral)
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rocnroll ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Sponsor Member Joined: 20 July 2005 Location: Tuscumbia, AL Status: Offline Points: 13263 |
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My guess.....oil pump failure.
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'48 CJ2A Lefty "Common sense is not that common" |
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autolite ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr. 2006 Location: San Mateo, Cali Status: Offline Points: 788 |
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I'm with rocnrol on this one.Oil pump lock up.Had that happen to me and it broke a tooth on the cam shaft gear that drives the oil pump.Thank good all I had to do was replace the cam shaft and oil pump.No additional damage done to the engine.
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Texwing ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 08 Nov. 2012 Location: Planp Status: Offline Points: 176 |
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No,it was running on plenty of fresh oil, and last time i looked it had good oil pressure, but that could have dropped off and i might not have noticed. I suppose i will pull the starter and look, its just strange, since the engine was under very little load and going slowly.
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athawk11 ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Jan. 2012 Location: Arvada,Colorado Status: Offline Points: 4110 |
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Did you hear a strange noise just prior to the seize? If so, you may have broken internals...rod, wrist pin, crank. If no strange noise, I'm inclined to agree with the others...oil starvation or broken oil pump.
I'm sorry to hear about this.
Tim
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Texwing ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 08 Nov. 2012 Location: Planp Status: Offline Points: 176 |
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No, so strange noises, and I have thrown rods and such on cars in my dumber faster days so have an appreciation for deep knocking and suck. Of some interest, the electric fuel pump had gone out, and I was running it on a gasoline IV which is gravity fed, but that always works ok. It was however, running poorly and was not its normal self, so I do fear something coming apart like a oil ring, but not sure that would seize it up.
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rocnroll ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Sponsor Member Joined: 20 July 2005 Location: Tuscumbia, AL Status: Offline Points: 13263 |
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Re-read autolite's answer....it makes alot of sense whether you had "plenty of fresh oil and good oil pressure" or not. If a tooth was already cracked/broken it doesn't matter how much fresh oil you dump on it.
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'48 CJ2A Lefty "Common sense is not that common" |
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Bruce W ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 July 2005 Location: Northeast Colorado Status: Offline Points: 9010 |
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Oh, wow, I'm sorry to hear that. You could start by pulling the spark plugs and looking to see if any of them are beat up, and shine a light / look inside thru the plug holes for damage or anything where it doesn't belong. You can drain the oil and look for filings/shavings/pieces in the oil. Then, you may have an idea whether to pull the head or the pan. You could also pull the oil pump and inspect the gear on it and the camshaft. A broken oil pump gear and even a broken gear on the cam might actually be a "good" thing, since if the pump stops so does the distributor and the engine stops, possibly avoiding more serious damage. I don't think that in itself would lock up the motor, though. Good Luck. BW
Edited by Bruce W - 10 May 2013 at 3:52pm |
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It is NOT a Jeep Willys! It is a Willys jeep.
Happy Trails! Good-bye, Good Luck, and May the Good Lord Take a Likin' to You! We Have Miles to Jeep, Before We Sleep. |
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p3ferris ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 July 2005 Location: Norfolk Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 3812 |
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Smoked like Crazy!!! There is your sign. Pull it rebuild it. If no noise it may be as stated before a broken ring scored the walls and locked the piston in place. Second worse case senerio. Worse case is a locked rod bearing. Pull it rebuild it as you said Smoked like crazy.
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Texwing ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 08 Nov. 2012 Location: Planp Status: Offline Points: 176 |
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All true, all possible, I will pull the starter just in case its the culprit, but I doubt it. What I failed to mention is that I was getting in shape to sell it since 3 cj2a's are a bit much these days. Hate to try to sell with a locked engine as selling it "running but needs rebuilding" usually a lot better- We shall see.
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Texwing ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 08 Nov. 2012 Location: Planp Status: Offline Points: 176 |
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I pulled the starter for the first time. Starter was fine, then the engine was fine! not locked, but i did observe that the flywheel was messy, likely a result of a bad ignition switch that would keep the starter engaged. I put it back together and all is like it was. I can only guess that somehow the starter drive wedged the wrong way between flywheel and housing and locked the whole thing up, but it came out easy. Dont know thanks for the help.
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autolite ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr. 2006 Location: San Mateo, Cali Status: Offline Points: 788 |
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Glad it was not the oil pump and that your engine is good to go.Had that same starter issue on my 45 GPW and changed out the starter bendix drive and have not had a problem since.If the starter is staying engaged with the flywheel after start up,you should be hearing one hell of a winding noise.
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Texwing ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 08 Nov. 2012 Location: Planp Status: Offline Points: 176 |
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Yes, me to even the old fuel pump came back to life after disassembly so it was overall a good day for the silver jeep, and I am finally done with the solex carb/electric fuel pump/pressure regulator fiasco. On the starter, the bendix was nice and greasy and looked like PO had the same problem and had already been in there. The flywheel teeth are pretty rough, I am not sure the cause,but the ignition switch spring loading does not kick out the starter like it should and needs to be replaced.
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samcj2a ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Sponsor Member x 5 Joined: 21 Oct. 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Status: Offline Points: 8539 |
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Before you color this problem solved, count the teeth on both your flywheel ring gear and your starter drive gear. The stock configuration is a 97 tooth ring gear and a 10 tooth starter. Later model ring gears had both 124 teeth and 129 teeth. These won't work well with a 10 tooth starter. The 124 tooth ring gear is supposed to have a 9 tooth starter gear. I don't recall what the 129 tooth ring gear requires, but, again, the 97 tooth ring gear needs a 10 tooth starter. Several members have had this problem of mismatched gears before because they usually work for a little while but then bind up.
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TERRY ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Sponsor Member Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: BOULDER COLORADO Status: Offline Points: 3301 |
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I don't think the Bendix is supposed to be "greased".
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BOULDER 48 2A
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gmcjr ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Nov. 2005 Location: N.Texas Status: Offline Points: 495 |
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He's right, grease on a starter bendix causes far more trouble than it will ever solve. Glad to hear it was a easy fix.
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Gary
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Schimms15 ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jan. 2011 Location: milwaukee, Wisc Status: Offline Points: 2948 |
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sam for all of our benefit what is the way to figure your flywheel teeth without actually counting each one? isnt it like measure an inch, count how many teeth are in that inch, then multiply it by the circumference of the circle?
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